Jul 21, 2014 at 10:42 am #1319125
How long would the following foods last without refrigeration?
Extra Sharp Cheddar
NutellaJul 21, 2014 at 11:06 am #2121285
@bzhayesLocale: So. California
Tortillas – depends on how many preservatives.. I would guess a week to a month or maybe more
Mustard – does not need refrigeration
Extra Sharp Cheddar – does not need refrigeration
Nutella – does not need refrigerationJul 21, 2014 at 11:38 am #2121298
Thanks Ben. I've been experimenting with mustard with horseradish in it for some shorter trips. The bottle says to refrigerate after opening. I think most mustard bottles say to refrigerate after opening. Is this not necessary then? I've been using Mission brand tortillas. Probably lots of preservatives.Jul 21, 2014 at 12:18 pm #2121306
I had some tortillas mailed back to me from Rainier NP that spent a couple months sitting in a bucket in ziplock bags. No sign of mold or spoilage.Jul 21, 2014 at 12:34 pm #2121309
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
How long the food will last is subjective. Lots of food labels will recommend refrigeration because that will keep the flavor best for the longest time. If not refrigerated, they won't spoil or mold or rot immediately, but they may seem stale pretty soon.
–B.G.–Jul 21, 2014 at 12:35 pm #2121312
@bzhayesLocale: So. California
" I think most mustard bottles say to refrigerate after opening. Is this not necessary then? "
Use at your own risk, but mustard did not used to say it needed refrigeration. The only thing that has changed is the lawyers for the mustard company. My parents buy a 1 gallon jug of mustard from Sam's Club and it sits opened in their pantry for months.Jul 21, 2014 at 4:51 pm #2121363
Many foods now say "refrigerate after opening" and they didn't 20-30 years ago. It all comes down to liability and insurance, not that it needs to be done. Ever wonder why vinegar heavy or salty foods sit on counters? They do not go bad easily. Soy sauce, fish sauce, hot sauce, mustard, ketchup and so on.
Now then, the more junk ingredients added to a product, the more likely it could go bad – so buy the real stuff, with only what it needs ;-)Jul 21, 2014 at 8:47 pm #2121414
@northoaklandLocale: Temescal Creek
Cheese with a rind tends to last longer than the plastic wrapped variety. I'd caution against taking aged cheddar. Bring some mild cheddar and by the time you get around to eating it the cheese will have gotten stronger. I ended up with some exra sharp cheddar that still looked fine but after two weeks we could barely open the food bag because it smelled so strong. I couldn't eat it anymore either.
How long food will stay good for depends a lot how warm the food will be stored. At a cool temperature thing will stay tastey for a lot longer.
Is this for a mailed food box, or more like a river trip in Canada?Jul 21, 2014 at 9:06 pm #2121418
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
I've seen sharp cheddar carried in a bear canister in typical august sierra weather go for 8-9 days without any noticeable changes.
When it gets real hot though it will get goopy and greasy.
I'm considering making a cozy for my cheese and chocolate food.Jul 21, 2014 at 9:56 pm #2121433
There is a good article on foods in the recent Backpacker issue. There are some cool recipes ideas there, though Backpacker tends more towards the fancy meal stuff.
Anyway there is a chart apropos to this thread there, which I partially scanned below. I think this is fair use, but it anyone thinks it is not I will delete it and just type some of the info instead. Anyway, if you get the latest issue there is a discussion of the issue of food longevity. Biggest surprise to me is how long they say Parmesan is good on the trail – like a month.Jul 21, 2014 at 10:32 pm #2121438
If you buy a good brand of Parmesan cheese – the real, imported stuff, it has a very short list of ingredients. It lasts because it is already a very hard (dry) cheese. Cheddar if made right also lasts – but does get oil and soft. Americans are used to firm cheese, because it is kept cold. Yet, most cheese shouldn't be served cold!Jul 21, 2014 at 10:35 pm #2121439
I assume they were talking about the ground kind. I recently got a box of the individually seal packets, so I guess those might last for a year or more.Jul 21, 2014 at 10:40 pm #2121441
The sealed packets, especially the plastic ones by Kraft, have a VERY long shelf life. Kraft Parmesan cheese has cellulose added to it now, which keeps it the same constantly. It stays pourable and soft. Better living through wood pulp ;-)Jul 22, 2014 at 6:34 am #2121467
@rosyfinchLocale: the mountains
Imported Parmesan blocks from the deli section… I don't use it for pasta… just slicing off for lunch snacks…
and string cheese in individual packets though they can get oily if it gets warm.
BillyJul 22, 2014 at 6:56 am #2121470
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
Unfortunately I purchased some awesome tortillas from Trader Joes a while ago – I counted out the tortillas I'd need and ziploc'd everything up…..
Then a few days later I was putting everything into the boxes to be mailed – and those darned preservative free fresh tortillas had mold all over them!!!
Needless to say I, unfortunately, go with the uber-preserved Mission ones now, without issue.Jul 22, 2014 at 7:49 am #2121484
The tortillas I buy from my whole foods type store get moldy almost instantaneously if don't put them in the fridge right away, and in about a week if I do. I think they come pre-innoculated with mold – for extra flavor, nutrients and organic mojo. :-)Jul 22, 2014 at 8:07 am #2121492
Thanks for the input everyone.
Marko – What issue is the Backpacker mag you are referring to? I will pick one up when I go to my local REI for supplies if it is still on the magazine stand. Sounds like an interesting article.Jul 22, 2014 at 9:18 am #2121511
August 2014, says "Best Summer Ever" in yellow letters. Don't expect too much – as is usually the best policy for Backpacker. Its less of an article than a random series of recipes and things. There are a lot of good ideas for trail meals, but that chart (was just checking) is about it for longevity.
Some of the pictures in that issue are in my opinion "food porn", like they have in the fancy foodie magazines. Really makes you want to make them – or else eat something immediately.Jul 22, 2014 at 9:44 am #2121517
I hear ya. I had a subscription for one year to Backpacker magazine a couple years ago so I know not to expect much. I'll make sure to look at the article before I purchase.Jul 22, 2014 at 1:53 pm #2121566
Marko, that is because the recipes are all shot inside, in a studio. And many of the recipes are not UL hiking doable by any means.Jul 22, 2014 at 2:07 pm #2121571
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@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Mustard requires refrigeration? I've been storing mustard and sriracha sauce unrefrigerated in my office for months and eating a little every day. Always tastes good.Jul 22, 2014 at 9:08 pm #2121702
I'm going to assume and hope that Romano is similar to Parmesan, because i much prefer the former to the latter.Jul 22, 2014 at 9:20 pm #2121707
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
Unlike Jennifer, my TJs tortillas lasted at least 8 days – I just ate my last Roast Beef-Cheddar-Cream Cheese wrap after crossing the Arctic Circle (southbound) this morning. Now, I did keep them in soft cooler for 3 days. Then in airplane luggage on 3 flights for 4,000 miles (it's cool at 33,000 feet), then in the rental-car trunk from Fairbanks to the Brooks Range. Then in my pack for two days (also in Gates of the Arctic).
Edited to add: I'm now home, and the TJ tortillas have gone another 300 miles by road, spent a day in Fairbanks, two more flights, and a night in the hallway before I unpacked. And are still fine.
YMMV. Based on your climate.
But based on the above info, I'd go with the Mission ones in the future.Jul 23, 2014 at 9:33 pm #2122003
Romano is the same – mostly. It just has to do with where it is made and what milk is used. It can often be made with sheep or goat's milk, although cow is used also.
Both it and Parmesan are hard, salty – and delicious – cheese :-)
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