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TMB – 7 nights around Mont Blanc (France Italy Switzerland)

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David K BPL Member
PostedJul 13, 2014 at 9:39 am

[UPDATED TO INCLUDE LINK TO PICTURES
https://plus.google.com/photos/108233647022346135490/albums/6037172146713160449%5D

A quick summary of our trip:

I took my two teenager boys, and a friend took his teenage son (so 5 of us total) on a 7 day hike around the Tour Mont Blanc this July, a combination of camping and refuges (mountain huts/dormitories). BPL was a fantastic resource to help me plan this trip, so I’d like to thank everyone for their helpful advice and some great deals on Gear Swap.

Day1: Started at Les Houches, France and took the cable car to Bellevue which saved 2 hours of steep hiking so we could have an easier first day. There was a 105 km race that day which was partially on the TMB path, so things were pretty crowded (lots of guys running past us with small day packs). Our original plan was to camp near Auberge du Truc but the layout there was odd (we would be camping just next to the TMB path with no privacy) so we decided to continue on to Les Contamines which had a decent campground. We also got to watch the Belgium/Argentina match at a nearby restaurant :-)

Day 2: Hiked from Les Contamines to Refuge Col de Croix de Bonhomme. This was a long but beautiful stage, with the Refuge high in the mountains near the border with Italy. For 45€ each we had a hot dinner, dormitory sleeping and a breakfast.

Day 3: Hiked over the Col de Bonhomme and Col de Fours which was incredible …. walking through snow at the Col (saddle) between two mountains. But then it started to rain and the hike from Col de Seigne to REfuge Elisabetta was really tough. We camped next to Elisabetta (in Italy), but the night was full of rain wind and sleet, and in the morning it actually snowed!A pretty tough night, we didn’t sleep much.

Day 4: A cloudy and partially rainy hike to the Italian resort town of Courmayeur (their version of Chamonix) where we treated ourselves to a nice hotel with pool and sauna. The hike down to Courmayeur (which is in a valley) was a killer on the knees.

Day 5: The plan was to hike to Refuge Elena and do some wild camping near there, but a storm came in, and we decided to not risk it, and slept at Refuge Bonatti (incidentally the best refuge of the trip!). Crossing Col de la Seigne we ended up in a full-blown snowstorm which was amazing (zero visibility, high winds, and we could barely find the path). Crazy weather for July … the snowball fight was fun.

Day 6: Since we only had 7 nights instead of the typical 10-11, we had to take some shortcuts and on this day we hiked to the tozn of Ferret where we caught a bus (now in Switzerland) to Champex where we camped at Relais D’Arpette. This was an excellent campground about 30min outside of Champex.

Day 7: Hiked over the very difficult Fenetre D’Arpette (most challenging stage of the trip) to the very remote Refuge Les Grands. Highly recommended, this is a bit off the typical TMB path but great fun. The refuge is a two-room stone building which is staffed by a volunteer from a local alpine club (when we were there, it was an older man and his teenage granddaughter), we were the only ones there, and it was real cozy — no food is provided so you need to cook your own meals.

Day 8: Hiked to Col du Balme and then to Argentiere where we met up with the rest of our family and had a great alpine lunch of fondue, tartiflette and raclette. FYI, we read about some horror stories about the Refuge de Balme, and I can assure you the truth is even worse! Do not stay there! It is run by an old angry couple and while every other refuge was staffed by friendly and accommodating people, this woman started yelling at us (and some other travellers too) from the minute we walked inside. My friend, who is French, felt obliged to apologize (on behalf of his country) to the other travellers who happened to be Americans, for the rudeness of the Refuge and assured them that was not indicative of the rest of the TMB experience.

An excellent trip, despite the shitty weather (we didn’t see the Mont Blanc once), and I look forward to doing it again.

Feedback on some of my gear:

– TarpTent Rainshadow was great, super light and easy to set up. I did find quite a bit of condensation on the inside which dripped onto us during the night. Not sure if that is common or if there’s anything to do about it
– MSR superfly stove — loved it, fit well on French gas canisters
– Kelty Ignite DriDown 0 sleeping bag. Loved this bag, if anything it was a little hot
– Granite Gear Vapor Trail. I had a love hate relationship with this backpack: I didn’t like the roll top closure or the optional top pouch (it didn’t clip well to the main bag) or the way the compression straps cover the side pockets; I did like the light weight and the simple design. I think the GG Crown VC might be better for me.
– Thermarest Pro Lite sleeping pad. Loved it, no complaints
– Marmot Precip, loved it
– Columbia convertible titanium pants – these must be 10 years old and still going strong, the fit is much better than the new version (Silver Ridge I think)
– REI mid hiking socks – felt great but took forever to dry. Anyone suggest a quicker-drying hiking sock??
– TrekSilk sleeping bag liner bought from Vietnam on eBay – loved this, came in real handy when we stayed in Refuges, and MUCH cheaper than the S2S models
– Gerber mini knife – Loved it, it was in my pocket the whole time and now I’m tempted to continue to keep it with me
– Bought freeze-dried food from http://www.lyophilise.fr, it was a mixed bag depending on the vendor but I really liked the food from mx3 a French company
Oboz Yellowstone boots — Loved them. Was originally thinking of Salomon light hiking trail shoes but very glad I went with the Yellowstones, there were a lot of very rocky parts that required a solid boot

Stuff I would do differently:

– Bring RockTape. I use this for marathons, so I should have realized it also works amazing for blisters. Luckily my friend brought some, it was a life saver. Better than athletic tape!
– Bring a ground cover for under the tent. It rained about half the nights and luckily my friend had an extra ground cover which we used under our tent. I know it adds some weight but it kept the tent drier and cleaner.
– Replace the platypus and sawyer filter with aquamira. I know it’s a question of personal preference but I find it easier to drink from a 1L water bottle than mess with the bladder.Next time I’ll bring some aquamira in case we need to clean some water (we needed to do do that one day when we ran out of water)
– Bring more energy bars – we went through so many of these (especially with 3 teenage boys), next time I will bring lots more

PostedJul 13, 2014 at 10:52 am

very cool!
I did the GR5 just a week ago and walked past Refuge de Balme on the June 25.
looking forward to see some pictures of your trip.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJul 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm

> There was a 105 km race that day which was partially on the TMB path,
Yeah, lots of them. We had the Salomon race (I think that was it). Place was covered in snow in mid-summer, with some bad weather. Happens up there.

> FYI, we read about some horror stories about the Refuge de Balme, and I can assure
> you the truth is even worse! Do not stay there! It is run by an old angry couple and
> while every other refuge was staffed by friendly and accommodating people, this
> woman started yelling at us
She is STILL there? She must be ancient. Yeah, quite mad and very, very stingy. Infamous! Best to avoid, like you say.

Cheers

David K BPL Member
PostedJul 14, 2014 at 5:24 am

Will try to post pics in a day or two, but in the meantime I thought I would share some general observations which may be helpful for others planning a similar trip.

Maps

We had the cicerone guide(published in the uk) and a 1:50000 map. But as one of the most well-traveled routes in Europe, the sign postings were generally excellent and you could probably get by without a map at all.

Camping

I was expecting to see a lot more people camping but the vast majority (I would say 90%+) slept in refuges (and therefore carried much smaller and lighter packs). This meant that the campsites had good availability.

Water

Fresh water was available in every town and refuge (except the awful refuge de balme where they want you to buy bottled water), and we generally got by fine with a 1L bottle each.The one exception was between relais d'arpette and refuge des grands, we didn't see any fresh water so we filtered some stream water.

Bugs

Virtually none! For 5 people for 7 days, and with no bug spray, there were i think a grand total of two mosquito bites.

Food supplies

About half of the stages passed through a town where we could get food, the other half we had to plan ahead. Most refuges though will allow you to buy dinner or breakfast even if you don't sleep there

Weather/clothing

We got a bit unlucky with the weather, it rained and was cloudy 5 of 8 days. Others have reported bright sunny skies. Mountain weather is fickle. Temperature ranged from low 80s some days to 0 during the blizzard. I generally wore a short sleeve running shirt,a long sleeve lightweight rei base layer (and my marmot precip when it was cold or raining). My fleece was used only in the evening at the camp site.Wool hat
Came in handy, as did fleece gloves.

Language

French is the unofficial language of the TMB but English worked fine in most places (exceptions being the old farmer who sold us a chunk of home made beaufort cheese,shop keepers in small towns, etc). There were a lot of French (of all ages, especially 65+ which was really impressive),brits (who often walked the route clockwise instead of the traditional counter clockwise) and Americans (often found in big organized groups) on the trail.

Chris P BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 9:41 am

thanks for the trip report David! My wife and I are heading out next week and I have just a few questions to make sure we know what we're doing. We will be starting in champex and heading clockwise with a rest day in chamonix.

-Can we just show up at a refuge and buy dinner (and maybe a shower) if we are camping? I know there are a few that refuse campers, but from what I've read, many are fine with selling just a meal. Do they sell lunches to pack?

-sounds like you brought a stove to make your own food? Did you buy gas canisters once you arrived? I have a jetboil but I don't know if they'll sell that style canister

-if weather is awful, do you think refuges will have rooms available? We don't want to book rooms in advance if we don't need them, but the problem with weather is that it's unpredictable!

-How much cash is recommended to carry? I assume most refuges only take cash

-We have both 0 degree (F) and 30 degree (F) sleeping bags – I don't think we'll need the 0 degree, but better safe than sorry?

-It seems like water is plentiful along the way and most people carry about a liter at a time. did you bring a filtration system or aquamira?

-anything else we should be thinking about?

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 11:37 am

Thanks for writing this up- the TMB is definitely a "maybe" for next year, so stuff like this is definitely helpful.

Just out of curiosity, were there any guides/resources that you found particularly helpful in planning? I've just started looking into things, and it doesn't really look like there's a definitively-used guide like there is for some of the other famous mid-length trails (JMT, Wonderland, etc.)

David K BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 3:21 pm

Hi Chris,

>Can we just show up at a refuge and buy dinner (and maybe a shower) if we are camping? I know there are a few that refuse >campers, but from what I've read, many are fine with selling just a meal. Do they sell lunches to pack?

I don't know about showers but most refuges offer pack lunches (approx 12 EUR) and while we didn't buy any, I would expect they will sell these to you even if you're camping. The only risk for dinner is if they are full for rooms, they may not have space for you at the tables for dinner. But there is a real friendly vibe in the refuges, and they try to be accommodating to campers.

> -sounds like you brought a stove to make your own food? Did you buy gas canisters once you arrived? I have a jetboil but I don't > know if they'll sell that style canister

You can buy gas canisters in any decent-sized town along the TMB, Champex should be fine. I brought my MSR superfly from the US and it fit perfectly.

> if weather is awful, do you think refuges will have rooms available? We don't want to book rooms in advance if we don't need >them, but the problem with weather is that it's unpredictable!

You will be going during high season (August), so there is a risk of some of the more popular refuges (eg, Elisabetta) to be full. If you're camping and only using refuges as a bad-weather option, you should try to arrive early (eg 4pm or earlier) to have a better chance to grabbing any remaining rooms. I am told that in really bad weather, the refuges will not turn anyone away, and but you may end up sleeping on the floor of the dining room for example.

>How much cash is recommended to carry? I assume most refuges only take cash

Some did take credit cards (I forget which) but it's better to plan on cash just in case. Plan on 45EUR per night (dortoir, bunk beds), per person, including dinner and breakfast. A pack lunch is about 12 EUR I think

> We have both 0 degree (F) and 30 degree (F) sleeping bags – I don't think we'll need the 0 degree, but better safe than sorry?

I had a 0F down bag which was overkill. I would go with a 30F bag next time and use layers if cold

> It seems like water is plentiful along the way and most people carry about a liter at a time. did you bring a filtration system or > aquamira?

I brought a filter but given the low likelihood of needing it (we only used it once), I would go with aquamira next time, much lighter and smaller.

> anything else we should be thinking about?

Yes – bring RockTape in case you get blisters. It goes over a bandaid but is the only tape or adhesive that I have found does not come off after a long day of hiking.

Let us know how your trip goes … post a report when you get back!

David K BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 3:27 pm

John,

There were a few resources that I found really useful:

Cicerone (UK company) publishes a book in English which was very helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Tour-Mont-Blanc-Complete-trekking/dp/1852846720

This website was pretty good although the equipment list is definitely not lightweight but it's a good starting point: http://www.walkingthetmb.com/

These two web sites list out all the refuges and provide contact info, distances and pricing (also allows you to reserve online):
http://www.montourdumontblanc.com/uk/index.aspx
http://www.autourdumontblanc.com/en/

There are some more websites but mostly in French.

Chris P BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm

wow, thanks for the super quick and informative response! Definitely helps finalize our packing list. Will be sure to report back

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedAug 3, 2014 at 3:36 pm

Thanks for the quick response- I'll check those out. (Apparently two weeks on the JMT didn't do a lot to get the mountains out of my mind.)

Chris S BPL Member
PostedAug 6, 2014 at 11:38 am

Thanks for the report and follow up information provided, David. I'm heading there in a couple weeks and found a lot of this information very useful. Hopefully I'll get better weather though :)

Just sent you a PM as well.

Anton Solovyev BPL Member
PostedAug 8, 2014 at 9:55 pm

W/o going into too much details, what are the major expenses other than plane tickets? Transportation to/from trailhead? Hotels before/after? Thanks!

David K BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2014 at 4:02 pm

Anton,

The major expenses would be food and shelter … I provided some estimates of these costs above. I can't really think of any other costs you would have.

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