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How light can I reasonably get in a solo shelter?

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PostedJun 6, 2014 at 10:24 am

My lightest solo shelter right now is a DIY silnylon tarp based on Henry Shires' original 2p Tarptent design. Weighs 10.9oz. My base weight is around 11lb right now and, for a 4-day moderate-weather no-bug hike, I'm looking at right around 20lb total pack weight. That includes 2.5L of water, which isn't negotiable. I'd like to trim a pound off, if possible.

For the big ticket items, I have a WM Ultralite, Neoair (original), DIY silnylon tarp and a ULA Circuit. The rest of my gearlist is trimmed down pretty well, so I don't think I'm interested in culling it down any further, at least not on this first pass.

So, here's what I'm considering:
I have a GoLite Peak I can use for loads under 20lb. That will save 8oz over the Circuit.

I'm also looking at my shelter. How much can I actually shave by going to a cuben tarp? I need something with a beak and not interested in using a bivy. I don't think I want to make this one… so any that you would recommend?

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 11:02 am

If you typically take a rain jacket with you, a poncho tarp may be a good option for you; essentially rendering your shelter as zero weight since you'd have rain gear with you regardless. I like/use the golite one, but the mld one may be more desirable for you since it has such massive coverage in tarp mode.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 11:04 am

My .34 cuben tarp was about 4 ounces.
I used it on the JMT, loved it, did fine.

You have to decide on

1) Integrity – Can you find a sheltered place to pitch?
2) Coverage – OK with a little bit of splash?
3) Durability – How much abuse will it see?
4) Cost – How much per year are you willing to pay?
5) Ease of Setup – Able to deal with futzing around when hungry and cold?

…and other factors.

Of these "Integrity" is probably the most important. I was told explicitly "camp in the trees, not on the ridges". If the weather is bad, you'd better be able to find shelter from the wind.

Miner BPL Member
PostedJun 6, 2014 at 11:24 am

My solo sized CF tarp with lines and stakes comes in about 7.5oz but it doesn't have a beak.

Rather then a true tarp, a Zpacks Hexamid tarp shelter without any of the extras only weighs 6.2oz with the lines + 6" titanium stakes. Joe hiked the entire CDT with the prototype without a bivy and stayed dry.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 11:52 am

A Hexamid Solo-Plus with a beak and no netting is around 7 oz.

You could save quite a bit on your sleeping bag, more than on your shelter. A Katabatic Alsek would save you 8 ounces. In my opinion (I've owned and used both many nights) it's equivalent in warmth to a WM Ultralite and is half a pound lighter.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 12:38 pm

You've got a very light load for a Circuit. An Ohm would save half a pound and still be very comfortable, but at 20 pounds a very light <16oz frameless pack starts to be usable, at least for me, and if you save 24 or more ounces on your pack, then your total load is 18.5 pounds or less.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 2:13 pm

Thanks, all, for your suggestions.


@Matt
, I've never quite understood the poncho tarp strategy. I picture myself waking up in the middle of a rainy night and having to go outside for some reason… what do you do then?


@Greg
, "integrity" would probably be a problem for the hikes I have in mind. Very few trees and wouldn't be able to count on sheltered camps. But how about the .51oz cuben?


@Andrew
, I've tried quilts and they're not for me below about 50 degrees. I have a summer quilt for really warm nights but, otherwise, it has to be a bag. I've been sleeping colder lately and I think the Ultralite is about as light as I can get under the circumstances.


@Ken
, yes, I agree, and as mentioned, I have a GoLite Peak that weighs 26oz that I know I can comfortably use at 18-19 lb. I'm counting on that to give me the first 8oz of the pound I'm trying to shave.


@Sean
, thanks for the ZPacks Hexamid suggestion. Looks like 4oz for the Hexamid Solo. I don't think I need the full extended beak and the 'Solo' is probably big enough for me since I'm only 5'2".

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 2:44 pm

Sumi,
I don't think a .34 cuben tarp in the wind is an automatic fail. I know I pushed it bit and never saw any damage (elongated stitch holes, for instance). I was using a cat cut flat tarp with tie-outs along the edges.

A Zpack Hex has more tie-outs, with some being on the body, all of which spreads the loading. My current Hex Solo-Plus is .51 cuben and I don't ever think about it. I exercise a little common sense (amazingly), get down off the ridge and behind rocks, and sleep without worry.

That's not to say a .34 version is to light – It's probably fine, but only you know what that weight difference versus concern is worth. I'd email Joe. He's been there and he will know.

I have not heard of any Hexamid loosing a tie-out.

YMMV.

Edit: On two occasions I been in straight down rain (no wind) pounding hard enough to wet the top of my Ohm leaning against the pole holding up my Solo Plus, with extended Beak. IMHO, the Beak is worth the weight. I would have been damp a little more often without it.

Brian Mix BPL Member
PostedJun 6, 2014 at 4:18 pm

Hi Sumi,
Your title says shelter, but I think you can probably save around 10oz with a 20* Zpacks sleeping bag similar in specs (size and length)to the Ultralight.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm

>> I think you can probably save around 10oz with a 20* Zpacks sleeping bag similar in specs (size and length)to the Ultralight.

Yes, you're right. I switched from a Feathered Friends Grouse (30*) to the Ultralite last year and seriously considered the ZPacks bag at that time, but the bag dimensions don't work for me. I exchanged an email with Joe and pinned up a blanket to the dimensions to try it. The footbox is too narrow for me, especially with a 3/4 zipper, and going a lot wider would make the rest of the bag big and inefficient.

I have the 5'6" Ultralite and really love it, especially the fit. I realize that 27oz sounds heavy but for a 20deg bag with 15oz of fill, it's pretty darn good. I'll just have to find the 10oz savings elsewhere… :)

Ito Jakuchu BPL Member
PostedJun 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm

Agree with Brian – Your shelter is already so light, perhaps you can loose more weight with your bag. There is that ZPacks bag, or you could look at quilts.
Katabatic Gear is conservatively rated and would loose you a similar amount (you could even take a warmer quilt like the Sawatch (15F) and still loose weight).

edit – didn't see the reply above, must have cross-posted.

PostedJun 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm

Already addressed the quilt thing above. Just don't like them.

I'm sure I can shed more weight, if that was simply the goal. But I sort of *like* most of my gear and I'm finding that my backpacking trips are really comfortable and pretty much angst-free, which I really appreciate. I'm looking at my solo no-bugs shelter because it's one of the only things I haven't really tweaked. For $200, I can get a better tarp and shave 6-7oz… that's pretty good, I think.

PostedJun 12, 2014 at 9:50 am

So… am I only looking at a ZPacks Hexamid Solo? Any other tarps in that 4-5oz range that would provide sufficient protection without a bivy?

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