Jun 3, 2014 at 10:04 am #1317505
I'm getting ready for a trip to a Glacier in August, and am looking for a lightweight, ~5 oz, fleece vest for cool mornings, and as a layering piece. I'm taking a Stoic down hoodie for camp, but need something I can hike in. Does anyone know anything that might fit the bill? Or any company that sews custom stuff? I can see a half-zip, pullover, no pockets, design working.Jun 3, 2014 at 10:14 am #2108393
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
I use an R1 vest that way. My large weighs 8.0oz. I've used Power Stretch vests that were similar on weight.
I don't need much insulation when actually moving unless it is below freezing. You might get better use with something like a Cap4 hoody. The MEC T2 is a bargain right now at $41 CA if you can handle the shipping from Canada.Jun 3, 2014 at 11:18 am #2108416
Yeah, I would second the flexibility of a cap 4 PowerDry High Efficiency top — either hoody or zip neck.
I have hiked down to 11 degrees F with one as a top layer over a lightweight Power Dry baselayer and been comfortable hiking up to 40 degrees with it as the only top layer. They are also awesome for sleeping.
In addition to Capilene 4 and the MEC option above. Marmot sells the same thing called their Thermo Hoody and Thermo 1/2 Zip.
For a 4.4 ounce option, I've been turning to the Patagonia Nine Trails jacket as the first thing I grab hiking when I need a little more. It's a non-hooded, full-zip Houdini, but with stretchy breathable fabric panels across the top 2/3rds of the back, down the sides, and under the arms. This thing is awesome for providing a bit of wind protection, a bit of warmth in the torso, and still being extremely breathable. Stuffs into it's own pocket (small of the back) and takes up virtually no room in the pack. No hood, but otherwise this is a really awesome hiking piece for a lot of conditions. With a ball cap, it would even be suitable for a little snow, drizzle, mist, or mist.
I have a couple of vests, but I don't find myself reaching for them hiking very often. When I need something extra, it's usually because there's a breeze involved and I need the extra on my arms, too.
Most of the fleece vests I have seen are Polartech 200 weight fleece (or equivalent). That's a pretty heavy fleece. Way too hot for me when I'm hiking. Maybe for around camp, but with zero wind and zero moisture protection, I don't think traditional fleece offers a lot of bang for the ounce in the backpack.
REI has a PowerStretch vest that would be lighter (more like PolarTech 100 fleece) that would be a better warmth for hiking, but I doubt that it's anywhere near 5 ounces. It's going to be more like the Patagonia R1 gridded fleece vest, which is 9 ounces compared the Cap 4 zip neck at 6.7 ounces. I can't wear PowerStretch or R1 fleece for strenuous hiking unless it's well below freezing. too hot.Jun 3, 2014 at 11:49 am #2108426
Marc SheaBPL Member
Well they aren't vests, but they are inexpensive, fleece, and they hit your weight target. My XL zip neck comes in at approx 6.2oz. Get one of the STP 35% off coupons and at that price you can cut the sleeves off yourself.
Little lighter without the zip neckJun 3, 2014 at 11:51 am #2108427
Thanks for the quick responses. I've got a Patagonia fleece vest that I use quite a bit, both getting started in the mornings and during rest stops,–And was looking for a lighter alternative. I get cold really easily; I'm the guy who still has on a hat and gloves when everyone else is down to t-shirt and shorts. The cap 4 hoodie is a good idea. I've been thinking of "second shirt" options too, and it would also be good for sleep, as someone also mentioned.Jun 3, 2014 at 12:15 pm #2108436
I bought a Hawkes and Co down vest for ~ $25 from Costco. It's about as warm as my fleece vest and weighs about four ozs or so size XXHolyCrap.
Down side (pun intended) is that it leaks feathers. For $25 and no noticible drop in performance, I've learned to live with this issue.
If you're interested in buying one, they run very large so definitely don't size up.Jun 3, 2014 at 12:17 pm #2108437
You might be interested in my design.
It's a front only insulated 2.5 oz Apex vest that depending weighs from 2 oz to 4 oz.
Made with super breathable lining and shell, with the idea that you are already using a windshirt or jacket in combo with it. My cheaper answer to Polartecs Alpha stuff.
Packs super small, very warm for the weight. Talk to Dave Chenault, i sent him two prototypes to test. Originally i was going to make and sell them in some pre made quantities, but i figured there might not be much interest. The two prototypes i sent him, didn't have any fabric in the back at all (well, one had mesh), so as to keep back sweat down as much as possible (since most people already have a backpack on). To be honest, the first two prototypes had some issues, but i'm thinking of making one with a light fabric back, no zipper etc in front, etc which would be a lot easier for me to do. And a more wicking lining fabric for the Apex rather than 1.1 oz ripstop nylon which i used.
I could make you one for 50 including shipping.Jun 3, 2014 at 12:17 pm #2108438
I have a couple fleeces that were part of a work uniform at my old job. They're pretty lightweight, probably 100wt if I had to guess, and have a half zip with a collar (like those Terramar ones). I cut the sleeves off of one and it now weighs 6.1 ounces.
I'm sure you could find something similar at a thrift store. Fleece is fleece, there's no point spending lots of money on it.Jun 3, 2014 at 12:22 pm #2108441
Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
I've seen oodles of fleece vests at my local thrift store.Jun 3, 2014 at 12:51 pm #2108453
I used to have a shirt like the Terramar shown above. It's actually lighter than 100-wt fleece. Really more of a shirt. Super comfortable.
I lucked into a couple of TJ MAXX closeouts on a Marmot PowerStretch 1/2 zip that is an an older thinner PowerStretch variant — not the current variety with a tightly woven outside finish.. More of a shirt weight, fleecy on both inside and out. Still stretchy. A lot like those Terramars. Pretty darn comfortable.Jun 3, 2014 at 1:02 pm #2108457
It's not fleece, but warmer per oz, and only 5 oz:
This is what I hike in a lot. Once I am moving I can pretty much be comfortable down to freezing with this over a silkweight crew.Jun 3, 2014 at 2:03 pm #2108477
Site says the Montbell vest in medium is 6.6 oz. Over 1.5 oz is a somewhat significant discrepancy even if you have a small size (though better for them if it actually weighs less than the stated weight).Jun 3, 2014 at 2:40 pm #2108486
todd harperBPL Member
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
Like one of the above, I just cut the sleeves off an old Nike 100wt fleece crew. Weighs less than 6oz in Large and it's been great. Since fleece doesn't unravel you don't have to hem it once cut.
I might cut it down the front like a 1/4 zip and sew on two buttons – wouldn't have to do a formal button hole, just cut slits wide enough! I've been happy with it and it took no sewing skill.Jun 3, 2014 at 3:53 pm #2108511
I thought seriously about the Montbell vest, but one thing I like about fleece is how breathable it is. When I take a break and have worked up a good sweat I want something that will breathe.Jun 3, 2014 at 4:00 pm #2108513
Have you seen one? These are pretty breathable – thin synthetic insulation sandwiched between non-waterproofed nylon.
Also..its a vest its naturally breathable. :-)
On the other hand I love fleece vests and have about 10 of them.Jun 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm #2108515
"Site says the Montbell vest in medium is 6.6 oz"
Yes, that is correct and what mine weighs. I read it off my spreadsheet instead of checking again myself. Typos are a good way to cut down on base weight.Jun 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm #2108518
Ito JakuchuBPL Member
I have a Montbell Chameece Vest. A very thin fleece, layers very nicely and the whole vest weighs 153gr. (5.4 ounces).Jun 3, 2014 at 4:42 pm #2108526
Since this is BPL, where we always take everything to extreme, I suppose there is also the Patagonia Nine Trails vest. This think is 2.9 oz. It is made out of the same material the Houdini is made of, but with the back made of microfleece for extra breathability. They discontinued it, but there are still some being sold on ebay and other places.
But fleece has more soul – like a wearable teddy bear.Jun 3, 2014 at 5:18 pm #2108539
They don't make the chameese vest anymore, correct?Jun 3, 2014 at 5:25 pm #2108544
Ito JakuchuBPL Member
In Japan they do. But Japan and USA Montbell do differ a bit sometimes.
edit – seems like it is not up on USA site. Hope they bring it back next season.
For what it's worth I bought another one with sleeves and ¼ zip and just cut the sleeves off. No need to stitch even (the fleece/chameece doesn't unravel). They're great because they're so light, only one tiny pocket, no drawcords, nothing. The only thing I can wear while active too.Jun 3, 2014 at 5:49 pm #2108559
Steven ParisBPL Member
@saparisorLocale: Pacific Northwest
Just for reference, I just weighed the 2 vests I have for hiking. Each is a little bit heavier than ideal.
1. Arc'Teryx Atom LT Vest, men's medium, 8.3 oz on my scale (7.9 oz on Arc'Teryx's site).
2. REI Thermal Pro Vest. 10.1 oz (from REI-outlet: http://www.rei.com/product/867454/rei-polartec-thermal-pro-fleece-vest-mens-special-buy).
I've had the Atom vest for a few years, the REI is new to fill a specific use: day hikes, early-and-late-season, in the PNW, as foolproof insulation. However, when I'm day hiking or backpacking, I'm going to have a mid layer anyway (usually the Cap4 Hoody or occasionally an Ibex Indie Hoody), so neither of these pieces actually sees much use, except in my cold house.
I love the idea of a vest, but it doesn't always seem necessary if you're already carrying mid layer or insulation.Jun 3, 2014 at 6:13 pm #2108567
David ChenaultBPL Member
@davecLocale: The West Slope
5 ounces is in the UL down/synthetic range, or the realm of heavyweight baselayer fabric. Justin's front-only vests are a great idea and very impressive for the weight and packed size. They don't breath as well as fleece, but I don't think anything with multiple layers of fabric can.
Capilene 4 would make a lot of sense here, but they don't make a vest. Patagonia's R1 and BD's Coefficient line are slightly heavier versions of the Cap 4 fabric. I like the BD Coeff. vest a lot.Jun 5, 2014 at 8:43 am #2109077
David's right, the prototype vests i made do not breathe as well as a fleece, but that said, i can very easily suck OR blow through all layers, which indicates to me that it's pretty dang breathable. It was designed that way, to be used in conjunction with a windshirt/jacket and pack, that most will be carrying anyways.
I specifically used 1.1 ripstop and NON calendared nylon for both the shell and lining, because this stuff is very breathable. I used a nylon that was DWR free, to cut down on odor buildup because i've found that non dwr treated nylon doesn't build up as much stink as other synthetics, and when it does, it's easier to wash out.
What i should have done though, is use the above for the liner and used a DWR treated fabric for the shell. I also think the general concept is a great idea for more extreme cold or for those who run more extremely cold, but then again i'm biased. It's similar to Polartec's new "Alpha" concept, except that my piece is actually highly breathable, not just in theory. I would use lighter fabrics, but so far i haven't found one as breathable as the 1.1 oz rs non calendared nylon. The former can also be sourced very inexpensively keeping costs down, and with so little fabric used to begin with, one will not save much weight using a .67 oz or so type nylon, but one will gain durability with the 30D/1.1 oz nylon.Jun 5, 2014 at 10:17 am #2109102
eric chanBPL Member
Cut the sleeves off an old used 100wt fleece jacket
You can often find em cheap at thrift stores
Or get a cheap light fleece vest at a discount store
Shouldnt costs more than 30$ even new
;)Feb 27, 2015 at 5:20 pm #2178512
Mike MBPL Member
I just purchased a Chameece vest off of the Montbell.us site, purchased one for my wife last year and she wears it all the time, so finally got around to getting one for myself :)
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