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ONE stove accomodating liquid fuels (or canisters) along with denatured alcohol and wood?

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PostedJun 2, 2014 at 9:50 am

Does a ONE stove accomodating 1 or more of the following fuels (possibly the most readily available ones), which supports denatured alcohol and wood AS WELL, exist?:

Pre-pressurized gases' canisters: isobutane (primarily) and propane
White gas (naphtha)
Kerosene, jet fuel, diesel or non-oxygenated unleaded auto gasoline

Cheers,
Alex

Kattt BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 10:33 am

I cannot imagine how that would be possible…

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 10:46 am

There is one stove type that will accommodate several different liquid petroleum fuels such as white gasoline, unleaded auto gasoline, kerosene, and (maybe) diesel fuel or heating fuel oil. The heavier liquids require a nozzle (orifice or jet) change.

There is one different stove type that will easily accommodate several kinds of alcohol fuels.

There is one different stove type that will burn gaseous fuels like butane or butane blend from a pressurized canister.

There is one different stove type that can burn wood twigs or Esbit fuel.

There is no one single stove that can burn them all. Based on the expected fuel availability in South America, we made recommendations weeks ago, and you ignored them then.

–B.G.–

PostedJun 2, 2014 at 11:06 am

Oh oh oh, how can you possibly know I have ignored them?

I have taken them into account, but not one of them was referring to fuel's availability in Latin America, since very few people have travelled there.
And I have the right to still wonder on the best option FOR ME, even with taking into considerations reccomendations.

Anyway, my question was simply alluding to the possible existance of a denatured alcohol/wood stove which might accomodate even just 1 of the other fuel types, like petrol.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 11:38 am

I've traveled in South America and have used a backpacker stove there for a couple of weeks at a time. That made the basis for my earlier recommendations, but you wouldn't have known that. Shall I repeat that? A multi-liquid-fuel stove with a manual pump and (perhaps) multiple interchangeable fuel jets with two separate fuel bottles. You carry your primary fuel in one bottle and use it. Then you carry your secondary fuel reserve, if you find any, in the second bottle and use it only when necessary. The size of the bottles depends on how many days of travel there are between cities, although some fuel might be found in small villages as well.

I spent about an hour one time in Argentina looking for "Gasolina Blanca." What I found in a hardware store was mostly what we call white gasoline, but it had some unknown additives in it that made it burn hotter than what we were used to. Ordinary automobile gasoline was available, but we were afraid that the tetraethyl lead would cause some gumming up in the jet. Additionally, the fumes get more noxious.

–B.G.–

Dena Kelley BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 11:46 am

I didn't see the previous thread or any of the answers in it. The most versatile stove I can think of, in terms of using man-made fuels, is going to be the MSR Whisperlite International, which can burn unleaded gasoline, kerosene or white gas. One of those fuels should be available. It is not a light system, however. If you're certain that wood will be available, perhaps going with a woodburning stove like a Bushbuddy would be better. But I agree that there is no stove that will burn any fuel and that you may have to compromise on weight.

Ian BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 11:48 am

Alex,

If you search the forums, you'll find an old thread where an older primus stove apparently could burn alcohol along with petrol fuel. I think there's a reason that you don't see the market flooded with stoves like this.

You've come to a UL backpacking website looking for advice and for the most part, that's what you'll receive here. You've previously PM'd me asking for what I'd carry on this trip. Instead of PMing my response, I'll give it here:

Ian Danger Bloom's Proposed Multi Month South America List on a Reasonable Budget:

Backpack: ULA Catalyst. For a trip where the conditions will be so variable, I'd err towards a larger backpack.

Sleeping Bag: USGI patrol bag with zipper removed ($30-$40) or other inexpensive 30* to 40* synthetic sleeping bag

High Altitude Sleeping bag for sub-freezing temps: I'm an adventurer on an adventure and can problem solve/think on my feet/etc. I'll figure it out when I get there.

Shelter: Tarptent Notch or Moment + 8'x8' or 8'x10' silnylon tarp. Normally I'd bring one or the other but for a trip of this duration, I'd bring both.

Pad: Full length Prolite pad. Supplement with CCF pad in colder/snowy regions.

Cooking System: 1.3L titanium pot paired with Caldera Cone. I normally don't bring an extra mug for drinks but I'd bring one on a trip of this duration.

Fuel: try to find denatured alcohol when possible but deal with the soot of rubbing alcohol or wood when I can't. Find myself in a situation where alcohol or wood won't work? Deal with it and go no-cook. Rent a white gas stove for the portions of my trip where I'll need to melt snow.

Water Treatment: Sawyer Mini to filter out the tougher protozoa followed up by treating the filtered water with Chlorine Dioxide.

Other stuff:

Poncho is a nice thing to have while waiting out a monsoon under a tree.

I normally carry a Swiss Army Classic but I'd bring a larger cheap knife like an Opinel for processing food where it'll get the job done but not so expensive that I'd cry if I lost it or had it confiscated crossing a border somewhere.

Most important: Imperfect execution is better than perfect planning. The world is an imperfect place and there is no amount of research you can do that will allow for you leave Mexico with a perfect backpacking kit. You've done the research. Be confident. Execute.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJun 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm

Hi Alessandra

Butane, propane, white gas, kero etc – yes, sort of.
I think you could get an XGK to handle all of these WITH some changes of jet and adapters for the tank end of the hose.

However, I can tell you that diesel does NOT burn very well in any normal stove. Heating oil is maybe even worse. Been there, tried that. Again, the XGK is probably the closest you would normally get for diesel.

Not sure how well it would go with butane and propane as the XGK is really meant for fuels which need a lot more air: some muffling might be needed for the air inlets at the sides. That's starting to get technical.

It might be easier to take a small upright canister stove for threaded canisters and a light liquid fuel stove such as a Whisperlite. Might be lighter than a single XGK too!

Cheers

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