May 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm #1317179
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
I have a decent Nikon coolpix P7000 (similar to the Canon G series) that takes really good pictures. The video isn't the best, RAW is VERY slow. And I mean S L O W… unusably slow, actually. And it's rather large with a bulky case that I can't seem to find a better alternative to.
It takes GREAT pictures…and honestly I like it a lot. Although the bulkiness of it has been starting to get on my nerves.
I think I'm infatuated with the Sony RX100…and now version iii looks fantastic with the new 24mm lens!!
But oh for the love of all that is holy – is it really worth $800???
I consider myself an amateur photographer wanna-be, but I never made the leap to a DSLR (took me forever to give up my awesome old school Pentax 35mm film camera). The Nikon was a good higher-end point and shoot with lots of manual options, but the sensor size was such that I really, really missed playing with DOF (impossible with smaller sensors).
Now it looks like you can do that with the Sony.
And it seems to have a manual focus ring?????? Even if it's pretend, at least the movement is the same?? Maybe??
So for backpacking, and not wanting to schlep a DSLR, would the Sony investment be worth it, or should I just keep schlepping around my Nikon for a few more years?
Wow that's a lot of cash. But my b-day is coming up….
It would knock about half a pound off my JMT gear, too………May 24, 2014 at 7:04 pm #2105732
I keep JUST missing out on the refurbished rx100's on sony's outlet site. They are the first version, but go for only $250 there.
In the meantime I picked up a refurbished J1 with TWO lenses and a case for $200 and I LOVE it so far. Highly recommend BuyDig, everything looked brand new.
I know that is unrelated just thought I would share :)
I think the RX100 is basically the perfect backpacking camera.May 25, 2014 at 11:22 am #2105816
Peter JamesBPL Member
@pbjamesLocale: High Sierra
I don't own an RX100, but my dad picked one up last year before doing the Camino, rather than hauling his Canon DSLR rig, or being stuck with crappy iPhone shots. It was a great solution, and he brought back plenty of images that wouldn't have been taken otherwise, or likely would have been ugly low quality on a small-sensor camera or phone. For what you can get the original model for these days, I'd say it's definitely worthwhile, as picture quality to size ratio doesn't get much better.
Whether the new model is worth the MSRP, is another matter. If the lens is as good as claimed, if the viewfinder is usable, and if you'd use other new features like the flip-screen and wifi, then I can definitely see the new model being a winner. One thing I never much liked about the first two models was being limited to 28mm for wide-angle. If the lens is significantly improved from the 28-105, in terms of corner-to-corner sharpness, I could see it being a great hiking camera for folks who don't need ultra-wide or telephoto lenses.Jun 2, 2014 at 4:18 pm #2108161
Jacob DBPL Member
@jacobdLocale: North Bay
I'd say the RX100 is worth it with a caveat or two. If you expect it to replace your DSLR it really depends on you and your skills. If you're capable with the SLR and know how to do things like use the histogram to get an ideal balance between shadows and highlights, if you've moved beyond the kit lens to better lenses, or if you use any "fast" lenses then the RX100 is going to feel like you're giving up a bit in return for a camera that fits in your pocket and takes lbs out of your pack… which is of course, the payoff. On the other hand if you mostly shoot on auto and use the kit lens the RX100 will probably feel like an old friend :)
A good middle grounds is something like micro 4/3 such as Olympus or Fuji. My preference is a compact APS-C camera like the Sony a6000 (formerly NEX). Smaller and lighter than DSLR but with the same (or better) quality sensor and lenses that you're accustomed to.
There are few reasons why anyone would need to carry a DSLR any more. Telephoto lenses and advanced autofocus systems (such as the ones in the "pro" series cameras) are pretty much it. Perhaps weather sealing if you're going to a rainforest.
I did a writeup on the RX100 not too long ago, forgive the shameless plug :)
By the way, you can't really get very shallow DOF with the RX100. The sensor size is bigger than most compacts, but just not big enough unless you're fairly close to the subject. The mark III has a faster lens, f/1.8 – 2.8, but the FF equivalent of that is like f3.6 – 5.6 (roughly, I don't recall the exact translation). The focus ring is about the same as any of the focus-by-wire lenses that are around these days… using it is a very disconnected experience. Always gives me the feeling of watching a video where the audio is slightly out of sync (obscure reference, I know). It does work though, and can be useful when the AF decides to focus just behind or in front of whatever you wanted it to.Jun 2, 2014 at 5:27 pm #2108179
I just picked up a rx100 II as a complement to my nikon V1 mirrorless camera. It will mostly get used on those trips where I don't think I am going to need a longer zoom. If I think the longer range will be needed I will bring along the nikon at twice the weight of the sony
As long as you are not looking for a specific feature which are only on the newer version either the first or second gen rx100 would do the job just as well for you and you could save a considerable amount of money as people are getting rid of them to pick up the newest onesJun 10, 2014 at 2:39 pm #2110428
christopher smeadBPL Member
@hamsterfishLocale: San Jose, CA
I recently got an rx100, and so far like it.
I'm no camera expert, but I was able to get some cool night shows, panoramas, and even some milkyway shots with it. It won't compare to a real full frame, but not bad for 9oz.
Also, the video is really nice. The stabilizer makes a big difference.
Bummer is I wish it had a wider view, or the ability to add a wide lens.
Timelapse would be nice too.
I've seen rx100 wide angle lenses out there on amazon…but no reviews, and I have no idea how they attatch….
I'm curious to see how the ricoh gr stacks up…Jun 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm #2110464
I have the first rx100. I left my old rebel xti dslr home.
I haven't learned much about mine, but did miss a threaded filter mount, tho one can now buy an adapter with either a polarizer or different thread mounts to use one's old filters.
I do enjoy having the HDR setting for contrasts middle of the day photos.
Sometimes you just don't want to wait for the golden hourJun 11, 2014 at 5:39 pm #2110771
@sgiachettiLocale: Boulder, CO
If photography is important to you, than absolutely its worth it. I learned photography on old dslrs, like the Nikon D70, and I never thought I'd be carrying something as light and small as the RX100 with better image quality. It has better image quality than some of todays DSLR's with kit lenses. IMO its the best balance of UL, IQ and usability out there. I'm even using it to try to build my outdoor/adventure portfolioon when mobility is important, like long mountain runs.
Obviously I'm a fan & I'm still using & loving the original rx100, but if you had asked me what I'd change about the rx100 when I first got it, I would describe exactly what the rx100 III is. Props to Sony for significant improvements to what was already the best compact around. Reviews so far show a lot better IQ than the previous models, which looks to be partly a result of the new lenses. Anyway, enough from me. Consider me envious if you get one, but something tells me I'm going to use & love the rx100 for a long time.Jun 11, 2014 at 8:12 pm #2110825
@cameronLocale: Idaho Falls
Not sure if its what you want but the Nikon Coolix 310 is cheaper and takes good pictures, noticeably better then other cameras I've used for similar shots.Jun 20, 2014 at 4:38 pm #2113184
Yuri RBPL Member
Yes, excellent camera totally worth it. Perfect choice for those who dont want to lug DSLR around.Jun 23, 2014 at 7:26 pm #2114124
I like it too… but 800!
I'll wait for the price to drop… maybe next spring.
BillyJun 24, 2014 at 7:54 am #2114229
I have not placed my hands on an actual RX100, but from the pics I have seen I would be concerned about all the moving parts for potential failure… There is a pop-up flash and an pop-up electronic view finder and then there is the LED screen that pivots… I would think that all of these things are vulnerable to failure… from getting grit in the mechanisms, from accidental force on the mechanisms, or from not being designed and built strong enough. Would think it would be a good idea to buy the accident protection plan with this particular camera… and, unfortunately that will likely drive the price from 800 to 1,000 + tax…
billyJun 24, 2014 at 7:59 am #2114232
One other thing to note now that i have a MK2 in hand and have used it a bit. Make sure that you handle one and it feels right for you. I have found now that i have used it a bit that the RX100 is a bit too small for my liking even with the accessory grip added. Most likely will be getting rid of it by the end of the year once i see what else comes out this summer with similar specs but a bit larger in size. Leaning towards the panasonic LX8 if the rumors on it are trueJun 24, 2014 at 8:21 am #2114239
Costco has an older version of the RX100 if you want to handle one. I found that I liked the zoom on the Lumix they had there better. The fact that it's 1/2 the cost doesn't hurt its sales pitch.Jun 24, 2014 at 8:23 am #2114241
Yes… beyond the technical specs, price, pic quality, and durability there is the question of ergonomics… for instance… with the view finder popped up at the upper left corner… something you're going to us a lot with bright light outdoor photography… where does your left hand find a grip???? Being able to grip the camera securely is important to photo quality and not dropping this expensive jewel…
billySep 3, 2014 at 7:45 am #2132391
Brad RogersBPL Member
@mocs123Locale: Southeast Tennessee
I picked up a used RX100 v1 in July and just got back from a week in the wind river range with it and can't say enough good things about it. I am not a photographer and every single one of my shots turned out great. This is better then my canon S90 was.
One more thing of note, I took 370 pictures and 2 videos and the original battery still showed full charge. I could get ~275 shots per Canon S90 battery.Sep 3, 2014 at 1:04 pm #2132477
Mark VerberBPL Member
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
Worth it? My short answer is yes.
Why? The RX100 is the only pocket size camera that I have been happy with the image quality of pictures provided I can keep it below ISO 640 or so. Any other small camera I have tried left me feeling disappointed when I saw the images after the trip and regretting that I didn't lug a larger camera.
I have been consistently pleased with the quality of the RX100 images. Landscape or people shots during the day are near or as good as any I have taken with a DSLR. If I need to low light, super wide, or use very long lens then I bring a DSLR or high end mirror less.
For what it's worth, found that the RX100 didn't match some of the better mirror less on the market but I found it superior to some mirrorless cameras including the Nikon and Panasonic GF4.
–MarkSep 14, 2014 at 5:20 pm #2135233
Gerry B.BPL Member
@taedawoodLocale: Louisiana, USA
Do any of you RX100 owners miss having a true zoom (say 20x) function when using the RX100 backpacking? That is the one thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger on one. 3X is simply not much zoom in my opinion and I like to zoom in on things when hiking.Sep 14, 2014 at 5:46 pm #2135243
Brendan SwihartBPL Member
@brendansLocale: Fruita CO
Gerry if you're looking for longer reach than the RX100 but want the benefits of the larger sensor, check out the RX10 or especially the new panasonic FZ1000. Both have a 1" sensor like the RX100 and will give significantly better image quality than most superzooms.Sep 15, 2014 at 11:52 pm #2135498
I like my RX100 I. You can find it for under half what I paid. I keep learning more as I use it. I learned about auto ISO and how to turn it off today. The weight severely undercuts my old Rebel xti and with more pixels. I like to use the video but I don't always pan well, etc.
Manual focus is pretty decent. I haven't felt the need to upgrade to the II or III. Certainly, we all like 24 mm equivalent–your decision. Eventually, we'll have full frame compacts, just wait.
I can almost justify bringing a 1.5 lb tripod at its 8 oz weight,.
Only drawback: an enthusiast cam should be filter ready. I expect to make a DIY adapter for use with a polarizer/warming/ND filter.
g'niteSep 16, 2014 at 3:30 am #2135510
Dave GreyBPL Member
I use the 42mm Magfilter CPL from Mogopod, it has a metal ring which unobtrusively attatches adhesively then the good quality CPL (Japanese made – no color shift, but the anti-reflective coating isn't as good as a Hoya Pro-1 I own) is held magnetically. Threaded rings are also available (49,52,55 and 58mm)
On a side note, anyone seen the new QX-1, E-mount interchangeable lens, APS-C sensor, RAW, 216grams including battery, excluding lens, needs a smartphone for control and display. If only it had an hard controls and a viewfinder…
DaveSep 16, 2014 at 5:13 am #2135515
I saw it on YouTube the other day. Interesting concept but my initial reaction is that it looks bulky and I'd be better off carrying a stand alone P&SSep 19, 2014 at 8:00 pm #2136313
Thanks, I closed the tab on that webpage weeks ago (http://mogopod.com/collections/magfilter-products). Quite spendy:
MagFilter Threaded Adapter Ring $40.00
MagFilter CPL (Circular Polarizer) Filter $40.00
MagFilter Spare Lens Ring $9.99
I'm going the DIY route.
For the benefit of shutternuts, here goes:
1. 37-58 mm step up ring from eBay $4.00 Ordered, pending delivery. Step up size determined by #2.
2. Tiffen 58 mm circular polarizer from prior use on film camera
3. Double stick carpet tape
apply double stick tape to the front of the camera lens.
cut or file down the 37 mm threads of the step up ring, leaving the flange and the 58 mm threads. Stick the ring to the camera.Sep 19, 2014 at 8:02 pm #2136317
Option #2 No double stick tape on the camera.
1. Bottom 1.5" of a plastic vitamin bottle (diameter 2.25") Free with vitamins.
2. 37-58 mm step up ring from eBay $4.00 Ordered, pending delivery. Step up size determined by #3.
3. Tiffen 58 mm circular polarizer from prior use on film camera
4. 3 small zip ties
5. Double stick carpet tape
6. Closed cell foam
7. 10" of 1/16" nylon/polyester cord
8. Mitten hook
masking tape, marking pen, drill, hole saw about 1.25"/35mm
Utility scissors, file or sandpaper.
Wrap about 8" of masking tape around the plastic vitamin bottle so you can mark the tape 1.5" from the bottle's bottom.
Cut a 1.25" hole in the bottom of the plastic vitamin bottle (diameter 2.25")
Cut off the bottom 1.5" of the bottle using scissors
sand or file the inside of the hole so the step ring fits inside. If the step ring doesn't fit well, drill holes in the step ring and the bottle bottom, zip tie the ring to the bottle.
Apply double stick tape to the inside of the bottle bottom.
Add sufficient foam to the tape so the bottle fits snugly on the Sony lens barrel.
Attach a mitten hook to one end of the 1/16" cord. Attach the other end of the cord to the bottle. In use, attach the mitten hook to the camera strap. The adapter will slip off when the camera powers down–the leash prevents the filter landing more than 10" away.
Check to ensure that the system hasn't introduced vignetting to the shortest focal length.
Buy Hoya circ polarizer with $ saved.
Pictures when I finish the adapter.Sep 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm #2136488
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
I created a smugmug page with my JMT pix on it – they were taken with the RX100iii – WOW am I impressed with that little camera!!
(the small gallery of 2013 JMT pix were NOT taken with the Sony – that was my old Nikon)
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