Seam Seal Job

[Nathan Wernette]

I'm concerned i'm going to do a BAD job at seam sealing

I have a strat 2 sent coming in next week and am very concerned about seam sealing it. I don' want to do a bad job.

Seem to me (from watching henry's video via tarp tents.com) you paint it on then massage it in with a towel.

is it messy?

does the silicone tend to drop down and 'stain' the tent?

do i do it on the outside? inside? i hear conflicting reports on that too.

give me your best seam seal options

[Franco Darioli]

As they say, there are many ways to skin a cat.
The way we do it at TT (Henry and Co use sponge brushes I use mostly a syringe, the rest is the same) is so that you can get a seal without being too obvious or ugly
Because we do that at different temperatures and humidity levels, diluting our own works well with those variables and we use the leftover silicone and Mineral Spirit for the next one.
(mineral spirit here is about $3.50 per liter, enough for 20 tents or more).
Henry does not massage his shelters (that I know of) what you see him doing there is wiping off the excess using a mineral spirit impregnated rug.
My work, not as nice as the one from TT HQ, looks like this :

I only wipe off the spill-over (silicone not on the seam) because as well as having the silicone penetrating the seams I like to give the seams a bit more body
Do keep in mind that doing dozens (well hundreds at TT HQ..) of shelters is not like doing one or two.
On my own shelters I do the seams from the inside too because I have the time.
For that I just stick a thin cloth covered finger into the silicone mix tuna can and "fingerpaint" them.
Please also consider that I am not at all concerned with fumes or stuff like that, others are.

[Bob Gross]

When sealing seams, sometimes I am trying to get the sealer into the needle holes. At other times, I am trying to get it into the space between two fabric layers, but if the seam is properly sewn, you can't find much space.

–B.G.–

[Matt Weaver]

I did the Henry Shire method on my mid, took about 10 minutes and aesthetically you can't tell it was seam sealed. Quick, not messy, and passed some pretty abusive water tests. Will never do another method again. "Stupid easy".

[Valerie E]

I was all worried about it before I did it (just as you are)…and the first seam sealing job I did was horrible, because I just used undiluted seam sealer.

But then I discovered (via BPL) the mineral spirits & silicone method. I worried about making the mixture, but honestly: stop worrying and do it. You'll be surprised at how well the whole thing goes. Just make a tiny effort at neatness, and you'll be fine.

Worrying about it beforehand is MUCH harder than actually doing it.

[Derek M.]

Yeah, it's super easy when you use a narrow sponge brush and you dilute your silicone enough (olive oil consistency).

Just be sure to give your tent a nice setup beforehand so all the seams are taut and pick a time when you know you'll have dry weather for at least a day to let the silicone thoroughly dry out.

By the way, while you're at it, you'll probably want to paint some silicone stripes on the floor of your tent for some grip so your pad doesn't slide all over the place.

[Brian Johns]

Try it. So simple and literally no way to ruin it. You could not waterproof it -seem sealing is't necessary in the first place, depending on the piece of gear and you ask – it may look ugly or leak but you can't hurt your tent.

[Andy F]

I fingerpaint it on while wearing vinyl gloves. I do it outside if possible, but I've also done it in the garage or unfinished basement. I always get at least a few drips on the ground. Wipe drips off of the tent with a dry paper towel. They're really no big deal anyway.

[Nathan Wernette]

Ok just seam sealed my tent today. Did the outside on the fly and the corners of the nest

Two questions:

Should I do the inside of the fly?

Should I put a second coat on?

Am I being to paranoid with it?

Thanks

[Jonathan Chin]

When I first seam sealed my TT Stratospire 2, I was a bit concerned I over diluted the silicone/spirits mix, as the tent fly looked the same as before I began. Also the stripes I painted on the floor were so thin that, while visible, were so thin they provided little to no grip.

However, the tent remained perfectly waterproof through an intense, night long thunderstorm.

So, I doubt a 2nd coating is necessary. If you're really worried about it, just bust out the garden hose and see how waterproof she really is :)

[Nathan Wernette]

ok. I guess i'm being paranoid.

My wife and I are sleeping in it this weekend in the back yard.

We are suppose to get some storms too!

[Jim H]

I haven't seam sealed my sil MYOG tarp yet, but out of curiosity I put it through a drenching with the garden hose, and I didn't notice any water leaking through the ridgeline seam. Seems to me the sealing is about a factor of safety and keeping the seams dry (mildew prevention?) more than preventing major leaks. I'm going to go with the quick and dirty tarptent method with the sponge brush. Just waiting on this PNW weater forecast to call for more than 8 hours without rain.

[Greg Mihalik]

Set up your tent or tarp Tight.

Pour diluted silicone (about like warm honey) into a 10 cc syringe body.

Grip the syringe in the palm of your hand, with your thumb on the plunger to control the flow.

Use the needle-seat stub to work the silicone into the treads.

You will end up with one or two silicone tracks covering the stitching, and nothing else.

No wiping required.

Let it dry for at least 24 hours, maybe more. It will be tack free when it's cured.

[Marko Botsaris]

Nathan, when in doubt set up the shelter and hose it down heavily for as long as you like, then check for any leaks. Instant backyard monsoon. I've done this several times when taking out a tent/tarp that I sealed years before. Just as useful for relieving paranoia the first time you seal a shelter.

[Nathan Wernette]

we just got a flash of rain. And it did well. I'm going to seal some of the inside, up near the vent, just because i felt some moisture there but not a big problem.

I really like this tent. It did well in the strong wind we just had as well.

I do have a terrible video and commentary if anyone is interested i could throw it up on youtube. its terrible though lol.

I don't think i've ever been more excited about rain. As soon as i heard it i grabbed my umbrella and my iPhone!

[DGoggins]

@Nathan

So which procedure did you do? Henry's version where you dilute and wipe off excess or more of a fingertip application where it goes on thick? (like the instructions on MLD's store).

I once sealed a trailstar using the permatex flowable silicone …straight (undiluted) by basically using a latex glove and fingertips. It went on thick. From buying several shelters on the gear swap, I think I did a comparable job to what others have done for that "style" of seam sealing. I'm sure it increases the strength of the seams, but it doesn't look good and it makes the seam "thick" and increases the weight of the shelter. It especially looked terrible at the apex of the shelter where there was stitching around the apex but no "fold" of the fabric….so a line of dabbed or foam brush was SUPER obvious and way overkill and never looked straight and nice.

After seam sealing the trailstar, though I think I did a fine job with that "technique", I swore I would never do it again.

I then had ordered a new stratospire 2 from tarptent and had them seam seal it. I swear when it came in I could not tell if it was seam sealed or not….except that the floor of the innernet had seam sealed stripes painted on and there was some different material on certain points of the fly that wasn't silnylon that the seam sealing went over but didn't "stick" so it flaked off. Otherwise….very hard to tell unless I held up the fabric to light and turned it in just the right angle I could faintly see the remnants of seam sealer after it was wiped off.

I just acquired a flat tarp and a supermid that both need seam sealing…no way am I doing it any other way than the henry shires method of massaging the sealer into the seams and then wiping it off. It keeps the shelter looking much neater and clean.

[Nathan Wernette]

I did a hybrid method.

I used diluted silicone via tarptents online store and then used a foam brush to apply the sealant on the seams. Worked well.

[Daniel D]

I did my Moment yesterday, the last few weeks of weather haven't been that great, so I set the tent up in the house, diluted the Silicon as per Franco's instructions, used a brush to apply the liquid and wiped the excess off as per Henry's method, looks a lot better than the Scarp I sealed a few years back.

[Kenda Willey]

Greg, what's a needle-seat stub? I've seam-sealed a couple of items, using a foam brush and the dilution method preferred by most bplers, but I'd like to know how to press sealant into the needle holes.

[Greg Mihalik]

A new one –

I file away the outer collar so more of the inner stub is exposed –

I use the syringe to limit the mess and to massage the diluted silicone into the treads. I don't try to "pressurize" each needle hole with silicone.

[MFR]

FWIW, I had the same issues with the Permatex Flowable Silicone the first time out. My Duomid's seams are a little messier than I'd like, but they are bomber.

But when it came time to seal a new TarpTent SS2, I had an idea: I tried Permatex again like last time, but I used Henry's method of brushing and wiping with it. It produced neat, clean seams that are really well sealed–best of both worlds.

[DGoggins]

@Franco, you said ->

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Henry does not massage his shelters (that I know of) what you see him doing there is wiping off the excess using a mineral spirit impregnated rug.

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Massage isn't the right word, but in the tarptent instructional video for seam sealing he says to use the towel to wipe off excess and "force the solution into the seams".

I am keen on making my seam seal job look like it wasn't done at all…so want to use the wiping technique. I might even do the syringe with a wipe afterwards as that seems like the cleanest/neatest way you could do it.

But what kind of cloth are you using? I was originally thinking a paper towel, but the fibers of the paper towel are going to stick to the seam. Perhaps a small cotton cloth/shop towel that is slightly damp from my silicone mixture? I'm thinking that even with a cotton towel that some fibers may stick to the tent….

[G Kullenberg]

I have a few tents, and I've done them just about any way you can imagine, other than using Permatex. Henry's method is what I now use, with a foam brush, primarily because they're easy, neater and disposable afterward. Be sure to get the odorless version of mineral spirits to do the mix.

Only tent I've ever used a syringe on was the Black Diamond Epic series. I have 2 Lighthouses, a LightSabre bivy and a OneShot. The syringe comes with the tent (or used to), and seam sealer causes the fabric to change color, so there is a wee bit of nervousness involved with doing that one. I did the best I could, but there are some commas and periods on the outside – I say it lends "character". There are times I wish the stuff glowed in the dark – I'd always be able to find my tent.

I used to worry about "looks" – until I did my TT Squall (the old one). Back then, I was worried a lot about proper drying and the potential for having the fabric stick to itself after seam sealing, so I used talcum powder after a short period of drying to "make sure". I put it on a bit early after seam sealing the Squall, and that tent became "The Skunk", 'cause the powder stayed on in a nice white stripe along the ridgeline. Granted, I gave up on the "talcum powder method" afterward: I just let a freshly seam sealed tent set out overnight. After the first few hours, I don't think even a bit of rain would be a big deal.

On Looks: Some 20 or 30 tents later, I figure that, when the rain is pouring down with me inside, the very last thing I'm going to be concerned about is what the tent looks like.

[DGoggins]

@gkullen

Glad that the henry technique is what has now worked best for you. What type of towel/cloth do you use to do the wiping?

[DGoggins]

Terribly sorry to resurrect this thread….but I'm planning on seam sealing tomorrow morning….does anybody have recommendation on what kind of cloth to use? (cotton, paper towel, microfiber, ?). Franco said in a previous post ->

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Henry does not massage his shelters (that I know of) what you see him doing there is wiping off the excess using a mineral spirit impregnated rug.

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And I previously said ->

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But what kind of cloth are you using? I was originally thinking a paper towel, but the fibers of the paper towel are going to stick to the seam. Perhaps a small cotton cloth/shop towel that is slightly damp from my silicone mixture? I'm thinking that even with a cotton towel that some fibers may stick to the tent….

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