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MYOG help needed: Pooh Sticks

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Will Newton BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2014 at 9:55 am

One of the many delights of hikes with my very English GF is playing Pooh Sticks. The history and rules can be found here, but the general gist is that you stand on a bridge over a moving body of water, throw two sticks of roughly equal length into the upstream side, and whichever stick fully emerges on the downstream side first is the winner. It’s good fun. Also UL, by its very nature.

It is my belief that with good old Yankee ingenuity, some Tenkara/fibraplex parts, and the collective wisdom of BPL, it should be possible at minimal cost to construct a Pooh Stick AC72 yacht of sorts that would absolutely dominate the sport.

I’m imagining a length of carbon fiber tent pole, slightly weighted at the bow end, with perhaps a skeg or removable foil for deeper water?

So: sailors, hydrodynamic engineers, materials scientists, people with too much time on your hands, your thoughts please.

Poohsticks

Valerie E BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2014 at 11:43 am

Oh, Will…wasn't it enough that you beat them soundly in 1776? Must you go for the win again now?!? LOL, do you really think this will earn you extra points with your GF?

;^) (For anyone who missed the humor: I'm just having fun with this.)

Will Newton BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2014 at 11:55 am

Valerie, sadly the them in this case is us; I'm named for my ancestor Viscount William Howe, who was the commanding officer of British forces in the colonies from 1776-78. And I am merely compensating for what seems to be unusually poor stick-selection instincts, to date.

And yes, when we were discussing it on Skype this morning, her immediate response was "Oh, God, you're going to ask your BPL people about this, aren't you." :)

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2014 at 12:50 pm

I have played Pooh Sticks with my kids on numerous bridges, including the original one in located in Ashdown Forest in East Sussex (the "Hundred Acre Wood") where my great uncle lives.

This does have great potential to go down so many theoretical rabbit holes in good BPL fashion. In addition to the hydrodynamics that you mention (which might favor a low density object), remember that drop time is an element as well. A feather would move at the velocity of the water surface (i.e. faster than deeper water) and be pretty immune to snagging on a rock, but would take longer to fall to the water's surface.

First, to bang out the simple physics calcs, here are, for various heights,

height (ft), time (sec), velocity at end of fall (mph)

1 ft, 0.25 sec, 5.5 mph
2, 0.35, 7.7
3, 0.43, 9.4
4, 0.50, 11
5, 0.56, 12
6, 0.61, 13
8, 0.71, 15
10, 0.79, 17
12, 0.87, 19
16, 1.00, 22
20 ft, 1.12 sec, 24 mph

For most objects, just use the above times, but I've included the velocity at the bottom (ignoring air resistance) so you can assess if you need to consider air resistance. A human, body, something routinely ejected from perfectly good airplanes in the sport of skydiving, fall about 135 mph, so if playing Pooh Sticks with a human corpse, you may safely ignore air resistance effects at these low speeds. Here are some terminal velocities gathered off the web:

Skydiver: 134 mph
Baseball: 74
Golfball: 72
5 mm hailstone: 31 mph
Ping Pong ball: 20 mph
2 mm rain drop: 20 mph
parachutist (open): 11 mph
Feathers are going to vary a lot, but are slow enough to measure easily with a stopwatch.

The last (and most helpful) datapoint is the velocity of the stream. Sure, I don't know your stream, but a lot streams, rivers, and creeks travel at about 5 feet per second – about 3.4 mph – a brisk walking pace.

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