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Anybody willing to make me a pack with a frame?

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PostedApr 1, 2014 at 12:11 am

This description is long, but should include most details.

I have experimented with enough packs over the years to finally know what I’m looking for in a pack. The problem is no cottage manufacturer currently offers exactly what I want. Zimmerbuilt is always an option (and the direction I'll end up heading if I get no takers), but I thought it would be fun to put this out to BPLers first.

Basic specs:
I’m 6’2”, 185 pounds.
Torso: 20 1/4"
Hipbelt: 32”-34”. Having a little extra room is a good idea. So maybe a hipbelt that fits 32”-36”.

Pack materials:
I decided I am not sold on cuben for backpacks. I question the durability, though I have read several blogs in which hikers used cuben packs for entire thru-hikes. I recently received an HMG Southwest 2400 and it is a beautiful pack. Mine is the current 2014 stock version, but all black cuben. I used it for one overnight in the rain and it carried well. The quality is excellent. But cuben … I just don’t know.

Basically, I would like a pack that is a cross between the HMG Southwest and MLD Exodus design-wise, but in a different material. I have only recently discovered the Xpac material. I have read that it is waterproof. However, I have not verified this with experienced users. I know there are several iterations, including VX07, VX21, VX42 etc. We can discuss what you think is best for each part of the pack. We could also incorporate Dyneema where you think it is necessary.

I would like a pack with a frame. I am not expert enough to specify the exact frame dimensions, other than to say my HMG pack fits me comfortably. Aluminum seems to be the standard material. HMG assured me the pack could possibly carry up to 40 pounds. I have never carried 40 pounds into the backcountry, but I would like a pack that is capable of carrying up to 35 pounds for an extended trip in which I might need to carry 10 days of food, and between 3-4 liters of water. That would be the heaviest load I would ever carry. After that, I’m getting a pack mule (or an unwitting partner). On most trips, the pack will only ever need carry 20-25 pounds. Most likely 20. Preferably under that. These days, my BPW is between 7-9.63 pounds. I can go lighter in summer.

Volume: I think the MLD Exodus is a perfect volume for between 3-10 day UL trips. Main pack volume should be 2400ci. I would like a main mesh pocket as well (400 ci). Also, I want 2 side pockets that can fit my 1-liter Smart bottle, or any water bottle I may carry. Say 150ci for each pocket. Most manufacturers seem to add about 400-500ci for the extension collar. So about 3500ci total.

Outer pockets can be a cross between Dyneema or mesh. The main front pocket should probably be mesh to allow wet items to dry quicker. Side pockets can be solid or mesh. I would like MLD-style drawcords on the side pockets to cinch them down, but it is not a deal breaker. Especially if it adds a ton of extra work.

I want a roll-top closure system like HMG uses on the Southwest. This may somewhat negate the storage capacity of the extension collar, but it is still my preferred closure system for keeping out the elements. I do line all my backpacks with heavy duty trash compactor bags, regardless of material. I do not use rain covers.

I would like two compression straps on each side of the pack.

A haul loop is quite useful and I would like one included.

I do not want any shockcord on the outside (sides or front) of the pack. I never use the stuff and just end up removing it. That means I don’t need any eyelets or attachment point throughout the exterior of the pack.

I have not had load lifters on any of my recent packs. I’m not sure they are necessary for the loads I usually carry. We can discuss this option.

Hipbelt pockets are unnecessary. I would prefer not to have them.

No hydration port. I store my water outside of my pack.

Color: I usually prefer earth-tone colors, but am open to what you have available. Maybe it's time to add some brightness to my gear.

Total weight: Between 26-29 ounces. We can discuss this based on selected options. Obviously lighter is good, but I also want a comfortable carry. I now exclusively use an air pad, not a CCF pad.

Cost: We can discuss payment once we figure out materials and your expected time to complete my pack. Also, I would be willing to trade my HMG Southwest 2400 for this new pack. The HMG only has 1 night of use and 1 dayhike, so 56 miles total. It appears brand new. I paid $285 plus shipping, for a total of $298.35. BPL is not letting me post a pic, so I will try to post it after this initial post.

Thanks so much for taking the time to read this and I look forward to reading any responses.

PostedApr 1, 2014 at 12:21 am

It is identical to the one on the website, but black instead of white. And yes, it looks pretty darn cool. I mean, if you're into that sorta thing :)

Pics:pack

Alex H BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2014 at 4:31 am

JDA, sounds like you are going through the same decision process I did last year. You may have already read my piece on this search but I ended up with a custom all Dyneema Kalais. You might contact Matthew and see if he will make one with X-Pac fabric otherwise it has the all things you are looking for. With a frame you will probably come in closer to 32 oz. By the way I am the same size you are, 6’2″, 185#, 33 waist

M G BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2014 at 5:31 am

I'm at a similar point in my pack needs. Basically looking for the same thing as you + belt pockets. I'll be curious what you end up with. Keep us updated. I currently have a custom 3400 HMG that has a mesh front panel and and dyneema side pockets. A hybrid of a SW and Windrider. It is almost perfect. I like the way it carries, love the closure snd compression system. Would like the option of a removable frame sheet for large loads.

Your concerns over cuben are justified IMO. At least if you are the kind of user-like me- who doesnt want to baby a pack and hikes x-country over rocky areas.

My second issue with the 3400 is that its a tight fit for a bearikade wrapped in a foam pad.Quite a bit of work to get it out of the pack. The bearikade needs to be wrapped or it will chew through a pack. So I would want an opening and main sack diameter that can easily accommodate this. Or material that can withstand the rubbing. My ULA catalyst was the perfect size and could withstand the rubbing.

HMG is great to work with for repairs and customization so for now I'm using this pack until I've put at least 1000 miles on it to see what other improvements I'd make. These are my observations after ~220. We'll see how it handles this next season.

PostedApr 1, 2014 at 7:25 pm

MG,

I'm with you; I don't like babying my gear. I am no gear abuser and actually consider myself somewhat compulsive when it comes to keeping my gear in impeccable condition, but still, I want to use gear without wondering if a rock will shred it. Maybe my doubts are unfounded, but I still have them, and that affects my trips. My HMG is a beautiful piece of gear and I think I'll end up posting it over on Gear Swap. Somebody will get a good deal.

Alex,

I enjoyed your article. Thanks for posting the links. I think your EH Dyneema Kalais is overkill for my needs. It sounds like you spend way more time in the desert and need to carry several liters of water. At this time, most of my trips are in forests or in the mountains where water tends to be more abundant. In fact, on my last few overnighters, I have not carried more than 1.5 liters at any one time.

I sent Chris at Zimmberbuilt an e-mail this evening to discuss price and wait time.

PostedApr 1, 2014 at 8:42 pm

3 years of using a first edition Porter and there have been zero quality issues. Zero. The fabric is bomber in 50d and I suspect overkill in the 150d black. And I do not baby my gear.

PostedApr 3, 2014 at 9:12 pm

Kaleb,

Thanks for posting the link to your pack. That's very close to what I have in mind.

BTW, I'm taking the MYOG pack I recently bought from you on a 20-mile dayhike this upcoming weekend. I'm stoked to try it out.

Dave,

Thanks for your feedback as well. I've read many positive reviews regarding cuben packs, and I know many BPLers successfully use them for extended trips, but I'm still on the fence regarding the durability of the material. Unlike some of the real gearheads on here, I try to only own 2 packs at any given time: a frameless pack that works for dayhikes and 2-3 day trips, and a pack for my extended trips. So I need a pack that can stand up to constant use across varied terrain, trip after trip. My HMG is beautiful and well-built, but at the end of the day, I still have lingering doubts.

On another note, via the PM system, I found a taker to create my next pack. I did contact Chris over at Zimmerbuilt, and he was very responsive and willing to build my pack, but I decided to go with someone else.

Also, thanks to everyone who responded via PM. I received some great feedback, neat pics, and cool ideas.

PostedMay 17, 2014 at 10:51 pm

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Specs:

60-65L

Packbag: 23oz
Removable Carbon-fiber/Coroplast framesheet: 5.6oz
Removable 3/8" EVA foam bivy pad: 2.2oz
TOTAL: 30.8oz
(Joseph can probably trim off an ounce of extra webbing, I left it long purposefully for him.)

Fabric:
Full Xpac Packbag
Main body: X21
Bathtub-Style Bottom: X51
Backpanel: VX42
Frame-Pocket: TX07
DyneemaX(tm) and powermesh pockets
DyneemaX(tm) and 3d spacermesh waistbelt, lumbar pad and shoulder straps

ITW-Nexus hardware throughout
3/4" herringbone webbing throughout

To be mailed out Monday.

PostedMay 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm

Nathan,

Looks awesome man! It's cool to see the finished assembly. I can't wait to get this pack on trail. I've previously modded packs to suit my needs, but this will be the first fully customized pack I have ever owned.

Also, on another note, Nathan is a very busy man, yet kept me informed every step of the way. I never had to wonder what was going on. Considering he is in the middle of expanding his company, I think his personal attention to this project was/is awesome.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with your company. It's always good to have another option to turn to for gear.

Did I mention that I'm really excited to get this pack on trail?

Cheers

J Dos

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