Mar 6, 2014 at 9:33 am #1314086
I'm eyeing EE quilts and thinking through a quilt system that would work for me in NC year round. This thread in particular was incredibly helpful – http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=84507
I'm 6'3'' and lean, a semi-restless stomach sleeper, and like to have my arms above my head. I'm using a NeoAir XTherm in a bivy, under a flat tarp. I'm living in North Carolina and only have the chance to get out on the trail maybe 2-4 times a year (1-3 nights each time). I typically don't see any use for a bag warmer than 20*.
Here is what I'm considering:
40* or 30* Enigma with 750 fill (Long/Regular or XLong/Regular)
50* or 40* Prodigy (Long/Slim)
I plan on putting the Prodigy inside the Enigma for winter use. Part of the reason I'm considering an XLong Enigma is so I can tuck it under my pillow and have my arms above head and under the quilt.
1- Do I need hydrophobic down if I am only out on the trail 1-3 nights max and take measures to care for my quilt? My budget is saying "you don't need that". Just wondering if practical experience would say the same.
2- And being in the south, the humidity is thick and I'm leaning toward getting a Prodigy quilt for the warmer months. Would this make the most sense and would it work for taking this system down to 20* or 15* with proper clothing?Mar 6, 2014 at 10:40 am #2080122
todd harperBPL Member
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
When doubling up, put the Prodigy on the OUTSIDE so your down doesn't retain moisture – at least it will retain LESS moisture.Mar 6, 2014 at 10:58 am #2080129
Is that to help the evaporation process? I'm relatively unfamiliar with moisture management apart from understanding VBL's.
I might just get a 20° Enigma or Revelation and a 40° Prodigy or Revelation and just have dedicated bags instead of a system. Reason being I don't want my summer quilt to be wider than my winter quilt.Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm #2080156
todd harperBPL Member
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
Yes, the moisture will move to the outermost layer, and down doesn't like being that layer. Others can provide more scientific data to support this – I just know it happens.
Give some thought to allowing your syn quilt to be larger than your down quilt – the extra wiggle room is nice when in stand-alone mode.
ToddMar 6, 2014 at 12:09 pm #2080163
Thanks again. Right as you posted, I was just about to copy and paste some great info I got after doing a search on this topic. Well, I can still paste it…it just further edifies what you just said, and makes sense to me.
"Heat tends to move upwards and pass through the inner layer just fine, by the time it passes though the second layer it tends to cool and turn into a vapor which starts to accumulate in the outer layer of the sleeping system. With down being the outer layer that would start to compromise/collapse the loft, synthetic insulation tends to handle this moisture build up lessening the chance of loft degradation."Mar 7, 2014 at 8:39 am #2080535
Tim MarshallBPL Member
enigma 30* XLONG/reg (belly sleepers should always go longer)
Prodigy 50* long/wide
All 10d fabrics let moisture pass through the best and easiest to dry the prodigy. This combo should be good to 15* when use together.
-TimMar 7, 2014 at 11:11 am #2080583
Thanks Simon!….uhhh…Tim!Mar 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm #2080627
Marc KokoskyBPL Member
@mak52580Locale: Washington, DC Area
I live in VA, so its very similar weather to NC. Hot and humid as hell in the summer months and shoulder seasons.
That said I have two quilts
1. 40* Revelation for temps down to 30*
2. 20* Revelataion for temps from 30* and below.
If I recall, both have regular down.
I can supplement to go colder with layering of my clothes if its colder and ditch clothing or remove the quilt if I get hot in the warmer temps.
That said, if you are looking for only one quilt, I say go with a Revelation 30* with DownTech.
If going with 2 quilts I'd say you won't need it for the 20* quilt since its drier in the colder temps. However with the 40* or 50* bag I'd go with DownTech or with synthetic insulation since it'll likely be more humid and warmer when you're using it.Mar 7, 2014 at 1:57 pm #2080656
Yeah, if I did one quilt it would be with 850DT for sure. I'm excited about the system that I'm getting – 50 Prodigy and 30 750 Enigma. I wanted to upgrade to the 850DT, but I can't quite justify the expense. I'm only out 1-3 nights at a time at this season of life, so I figure a little moisture won't hurt me (humidity, not talking about getting drenched).
Thanks for the help!Mar 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm #2080917
Derek M.BPL Member
@dmusasheLocale: Pacific Northwest
I have gotten over a decade's worth of use out of a Western Mountaineering Caribou MF bag in Western NC summers. Obviously this corresponds with the most humid time of year there, and I've never had an issue with regular down performing poorly.
I would emphatically not use a down jacket for clothing insulation in the NC backcountry, but down still works very well for sleeping situations in my experience.
Mind you, you will need to have your down sleeping bag/quilt in a waterproof stuff sack of some sort while it is carried in your pack. That's pretty much essential in the Southeast, if not everywhere, but you probably already knew that…Mar 8, 2014 at 6:44 pm #2080982
Good to hear your experience. Thanks for sharing that. I'm looking forward to getting some use out of these quilts.
The only other piece of down insulation I have is a JC Penny down jacket that I user for around camp when it's near or below freezing. However, what you said makes sense for me because my rain jacket compresses my down jacket a little when I layer it under. No sense in relying on down if you can't successfully layer it. Glad you made me think of that.Mar 9, 2014 at 8:17 pm #2081255
Ive slept comfortable in my EE 40 in summer, 65 degrees at night ONLY because the footbox opens up, then the quilt is so lightweight, its quite airy and ventillated underneath. The combination of extremely lightweight, and open foot works wonders.
I have sweltered under a 30 degree bag at 55F because the footbox didnt open. So cold you had to cover up, but when you did you sweated . Not a good way to sleep
I am a big fan of the open footbox if you need flexibility in your quilts.
Im not sure summer is any worse than winter for down in humid environments. It rains in both as well.
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