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S Long BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 4:02 pm

I have a first generation Zpacks sleeping bag I bought on gear swap here on BPL. It weighs 18.5 ounces. I don't know what model it is. I am unsure where that would put it on the temperature rating scale. Anyway, I camped the night before last where the overnight temperature was ~25 degrees Fahrenheit (based on overnight readings from the nearest town ~20 miles away). I had a light wool blanket (we were car camping) on top of the bag and was wearing an R1 hoodie. As the night progressed I got colder and colder. I wrapped the wool blanket around me inside the bag, worrying that it being on top was compressing the down. I was still chilly and added a Montbell Thermawrap hoodie. I cinched up the neck of the bag but found that the uninsulated zipper kept ending up on the side or on top of the bag and the zipper kept unzipping itself. Needless to say it was an uncomfortable night. I think the bag is too short for me, which led to more pressure being applied to the zipper, making it come undone. I usually don't find that I sleep cold, so what gives? Is a quilt a bad idea for me? Do I need a longer or wider bag or quilt? Do I need something with a lower temperature rating? I want to like quilts, but if the open part of the quilt keeps ending up to one side or on top of me, that won't work. I appreciate any input on a solution to this problem. I am also in the market for a new bag or quilt, which is why I want some input. Thanks.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 4:13 pm

Zpacks makes those things with a multitude of options, long or short, plus girths, plus temperature ratings.

The one thing I didn't see mentioned was your sleeping pad. If that is too thin, then that will make the best bag seem cold. Also, being inside or outside of a tent can make a huge difference in warmth, even if there is only a little wind.

The wool blanket ought to help out in either place.

–B.G.–

Dena Kelley BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 4:15 pm

I've been looking at Z-Packs pretty hard now for a 3 season bag and your bag is probably a 20 degree bag (possibly a 10 depending on girth/length). I think it's probably a 20, meaning you were coming right up to the EN Rating of the bag and note that EN Rating doesn't equal comfort rating- most people add 10-20 degrees to a bag for "comfort rating". I add 20, personally, so a 20 degree bag to me is comfortable at 40 degrees but I'm a cold sleeper. Z-Packs does recommend right on their site that you go one size longer on your bag so that on cold nights you can pull it up to your ears and cinch it. In temps like that I would have opted to go with a full blown down hood rather than a hoodie.

You might have been compressing the down from the inside out by having too many layers- most comments I've seen on the Z-Packs bag is it's cut athletically and not too many layers can be worn inside (unless you go with a wide bag).

What were using as a pad? The pad can make a huge difference in cold weather. I find that air pads are cold to me. I've got a Big Agnes Q-Core SL and that thing is freezing in cold weather- it just pulls heat right out of me. But I top it with a Z-rest and I feel warm.

Anthony Weston BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm

yes you probably need a longer wider bag.
I've never had trouble with the zpacks zipper coming undone.
I'm 5' 11" and use a long wide.
if you had any elevation gain from the town you were probably
at 20 degrees. I always sleep with a down hood, if your head is warm
there is good chance the rest of you will stay warm.
but it sounds like the zipper was your main problem.

And yes it's a good idea to use a 10 degree bag in 20 degree weather.
The Katababic quilts tend to be warmer in my opinion but I do own a zpacks
bag and love the weight savings.

S Long BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 9:50 pm

I would have been using a WM Antelope (overkill but the closest thing I had that would have been comfortable at the expected temps) and an Exped Synmat, but I had loaned them to a friend so she wouldn't be miserable. I was using a first generation short Neoair and a CCF pad. I was also cowboy camping on a piece of polycryo with no bivy or other shelter. I suppose it was a combination of not enough ground insulation, a too-short bag, and radiative and convective heat loss? I'm just a little irritated by what I perceived at the time as equipment failure. I guess I was just expecting too much from too little. Now on to looking for new gear. Any input? Another Zpacks in an appropriate length with a draft tube? Or a Katabatic Gear Alsek? Or a Feathered Friends Hummingbird UL? Or…??

K C BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 10:58 pm

The ground will suck all the heat out of you, EN ratings are performed with a R5 mat. Get a proper pad and try again before changing bag/quilt. IMHO

Ito Jakuchu BPL Member
PostedFeb 25, 2014 at 11:09 pm

I have a long Katabatic Gear Alsek, 656gr. 375gr. of it is 900FP down, with a Pertex Quantum shell.
By all accounts the Katabatic Gear is very realistically rated. I really like a bivy with it though. Especially because it is a quilt for when you cowboy camp or are under a (shaped) tarp.

I haven't tested mine to it's limits yet, so can't comment on that, but if you plan to regularly go to it's edge I would consider going one up. If you have down pants, and booties, and extra upper, then perhaps not. A quilt is one of the more weight efficient ways of bringing more down though. So perhaps then you can leave the down booties and pants etc behind.

I'm not saying one system is better than the other, kind of on the fence myself on this, just something to consider.

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