Jul 21, 2005 at 12:46 am #1216408
Fly or Spin – got some ultralight techniques or gear to share? Fish stories? Photos? Tell us about it! This forum is a companion to the two part article series on ultralight fly fishing by Larry Tullis and Ryan Jordan.Jul 26, 2005 at 7:56 pm #1339545
One thing that wasn’t included in the Backpacking Fly Fisherman article was a summary of my typical tackle kit I took to a recent trek in the Yellowstone backcountry, to fish the Lamar Valley and Cache Creek.
For the sake of clarity, I’ll limit this “kit” to a single fly box (assuming I know what flies I’m going to need or want based on having been someplace before) – often I will, however, take 2 or even 3 boxes (same type of boxes). Also, this kit contains a 5pc 3wt rod, but I’ve been finding myself using the Fly-Lite Mini Combo more and more…
Rod, Reel, Backing, Line, Rod Case:
Cabela’s Stowaway 8’6″ 3wt 5pc (streams and small lakes) and a Sage 3100 reel loaded with 60 feet of 3wt weight forward floating fly line and 100 feet of 12 lb Dacron backing. Rod is stowed in the BMW Ultralight fishing rod tube and a 1 oz microfleece rod sock.
Leaders / Tippet:
- Two EXTRA 7.5′ x 3x tapered monofilament leaders in MicroZip bags
- One spool each of 3x, 4x, 5x, and 6x tippet, hanging off a piece of AirCore Spectra 1 from the D-Ring of my Mayfly Pouch Lanyard (wooden bead knotted in the end to keep spools from falling off)
Packed in a BPL (Morell) foam fly box: assorted midges, mayfly emergers (Sparkle Duns being my favorite), caddis emergers (especially X-Caddis), beetles (Tiger Beetles), hoppers (X-Hoppers), small stoneflies, and a handful of tiny beadheads (esp. soft hackle pheasant tails) for droppers.
Jul 27, 2005 at 9:00 am #1339562
- 2 yarn strike indicators
- Small MicroDrop bottle with floatant
- Dozen BB sized split shot
- Fishpond Aussie Nippers
- Mayfly Pouch Lanyard (old style)
- Short shaft hemostats
- Park license in MicroZip bag
Michael MartinBPL Member
@mikemartinLocale: North Idaho
Another great article, Ryan!
I was wondering if you could elaborate on how you clean your catch in the backcountry….
Do you carry a 20oz Bowie Knife to dress them, or what? (Looks like it would be a tough job with a Titanium Spork.) <g>
What do you do with guts, bones, etc.? Back in the water? A sump hole? Extra vitamins and fiber in your diet?
-MikeJul 27, 2005 at 11:24 am #1339574
Would your listed kit be what you would recommend to a beginner fly fisherman? I have a 2-piece rod (9′, 5wt) kit that I’ve been fishing with a handful of times that I bought as a beginner package including rod, reel, backing, line, etc.
I’d like to get something to take backpacking as well. Would your kit, or the mini-kit listed in your article be sufficient for a beginner or does it require more skill than I might have (shorter rod, lighter line)?
BJul 27, 2005 at 12:19 pm #1339578
I will take a 1 oz Spyderco Ladybug pocketknife to gut fish. In grizzly country, entrails go back into the body of water. Cooked waste (bones, etc.) get buried in a cathole.Jul 27, 2005 at 12:23 pm #1339580
>> Would your listed kit be what you would recommend to a beginner fly fisherman?
Brian: the mini rod, a beginner will do fine for small streams and short casts. You need some skill for casting longer than 40 feet with this rod – good technique. It doesn’t take long to master, but it’s not something you can just pick up and do either.
The 5-piece rod we sell has a great action and is very easy to cast.Jul 28, 2005 at 6:57 am #1339639
Sage 0 weight at 1 11/16 oz.
Abel Ac-1 reel at 3.8 oz.
1 fly box–dries on one side nymphs on the other
Total weight about 10 oz.+-
Rod is 8′ so great for stream fishing–if the wind comes up–nymphs will still work–but even then it could be a challenge
Forget it on a lake–unless 30′ placements work.
But a 10oz. trout on this rod feels like a 2 lb. fish.
also–easy to pack in–rod comes in a 3 pc.
Just another scenario.
RonJul 28, 2005 at 7:49 am #1339644
>>entrails go back into the body of water.
Is Montana not concerned about whirling disease? I know that this practice (entrails into the water) is a no-no where I live in Colorado.
BAug 1, 2005 at 12:49 pm #1339765
The link you gave suggests these two things:
1. Don’t transport any fish from one body of water to another, which can help spread whirling disease.
2. Don’t dispose of fish entrails or other by-products into any body of water.
The key issue is transport and cross contaminate water – that’s why they are so careful to educate people about washing their boats, waders, boots, etc. before dropping in to another water body. Transfer of plants, fish, entrails, mud, etc. from one body of water to another is thought to be a mode of cross-contaminating waters.
I’d suggest that the disposal of entrails is the same, and the language is either not clarified well enough in the regulations, or it’s mentioned because of trying to get the population in the habit across the board of take stuff out of the water, don’t put it back in. But taking original organic matter from a body of water and disposing the same back into the same body of water should not increase whirling disease risk in that body of water.
In the backcountry of Yellowstone Park, they are concerned not only about attracting grizzly bears to buried entrails piles, but also in cross contaminating water bodies with whirling and New Zealand Mud Snails. Their policies include:
“When fish cleaning and disposal areas are not provided, dispose of fish entrails by puncturing the air bladder and dropping into deep water. Do not clean fish in backcountry campsites.”
“Drain livewells and clean fish ONLY near the same body of water in which they were caught.”Aug 2, 2005 at 9:24 pm #1339852
My rod of choice for backpacking fishing is a 3 piece. Can you get the rod tube material in a bit longer version to accomodate those of us who use 3-piece rods?
Cheers,Aug 3, 2005 at 11:01 pm #1339901
Bryan, we’re looking into sourcing longer tubes. — RJAug 8, 2005 at 10:40 am #1340067
That’s good news. Hope you’re successful.Aug 12, 2005 at 4:06 am #1340196
Yes, you do need to offer a longer tube for 3 and four piece rods.Aug 24, 2005 at 8:53 am #1340793
A couple of friends and I have been experimenting in lightweight rod cases. It doesn’t appear that anyone has a good (ultra) lightweight hard case for 4-piece or 5-piece rods. One approach we used ealier in the season is to use golf club tubes from the local golf store (under $1/per) and then cap them with styrofoam. Does anyone else have any great ideas?
Russ Whitney (Sawtooth Gear)Aug 24, 2005 at 10:35 am #1340796
Yeah, they sell a fly rod case right here on this site under AccessoriesAug 24, 2005 at 2:09 pm #1340806
Thanks Bob, it might work for a 5-piece rod but it doesn’t appear to be long enough for a 4-piece rod. I saw that Ryan was looking into getting longer cases but not sure what the status is.
Russ Whitney (Sawtooth Gear)Oct 2, 2006 at 6:44 am #1364065
I’ve tried both of your recipie’s, but I think you’ve avoided the best ones …. you can coat the fish, after cleaning, with italian seasoning, then wrap in foil with a couple of slices of pre-cooked bacon. Either put it in your bakepacker or toss it in the coals of a small cook fire for about 7 min on a side.
YUMMMMMMMM.Jul 4, 2007 at 6:38 am #1394347
@softouch333Locale: Blue Ridge Mountains
I've got 10 packing tubes 24" long 1.5" translucent with screw top. They fit my Five piece Winston LT perfectly. If you would like to have them for distrubution I'd send you the lot, or if any fellow backpacking light fisherman could use them, I'd be glad to send them for a couple bucks mailing. Recycle-reuse.
SoftouchJul 4, 2007 at 7:38 am #1394350
Whats the weight on the packing tubes?Nov 20, 2007 at 8:43 pm #1409744
I went to the hardware store and purchased a fluorescent light shield. Cut it to length and us the caps that come with it.Apr 16, 2008 at 12:51 pm #1428820
I saw a great picture of fish caught in the Uinta's. I'm heading there with a group in late July. We plan on backpacking in for 7 nights. We all have fly rods, most of us know how to use them. LOL. We are going to use a transportation service to drop us off and pick us up so that we aren't limited to hiking in a loop. What are some of your favorite fishing spots that you'd recomend for our itenerary? I don't expect you to give up your honey spots. I'm looking for places where there will not be a croud.
Doug.Nov 1, 2009 at 1:59 am #1541588
Use a sock to carry your rod and reel. As long as your somewhat careful, you won't damage your gear. It's easier to retrieve your rod, it's very lightweight, and easily straps to all packs. In five years I've never damaged a rig from carrying it in a sock. I've shredded rigs other ways, like falling, but never from carrying it in a good, lightweight sock.
All fish remains should be burned or thrown back into the water. On my trips that last only up to 3 nights, I don't take any cooking gear along at all. I cook my trout in foil on very small fires. Baked trout is the bomb with your favorite seasonings. I do like Ryan's cooking methods if you are taking your cooking gear for longer trips.
And I don't know what mountains you guys are in, but high mountain cirques and meadows are wind magnets. IMO, 3 wt rods are worthless unless you need super-delicate presentations. Feel free to take along a 3 or 4 wt rod, but C'mon, we go to to high country to fish for trout that rarely, if ever, see humans. Are you going to let the ever-present mountain winds stand in your way? So you blow 20 miles into the mountains, and your gonna rely on a 3 wt setup in screaming wind? You're gonna need to buck some wind on EVERY trip so take along a nice 6 wt setup if you care about the fishing.
But if you only count on fishing when all of the conditions just happen to be perfect when you get up there, take the extreme minimum. That's fine too.
I'm all for lightweight gear, but I march into the mountains to fish AND to see spectacular scenery. When it comes to my fishing rods, I'm gonna MAKE SURE I can fish in any conditions. Getting into the high country and adjusting for the conditions is what makes this so fun and challenging anyway. I'm a minimalist when it comes to my smaller tackle too. I only take one flybox crammed with as many flies as I can get, and I take only the leaders and tippet I'm gonna need etc. You don't need tons of flies, tippets, strike indicators, etc to land high country trout, even elusive Goldens in the Winds. BUT, I'm gonna make sure I've got the rod to get the job done in the wind and rain. Take both rigs if you need to. You're gonna need em.Aug 31, 2010 at 12:07 am #1641758
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
I use a Cabela's telescoping carbon fiber spinning rod and Penn UL spinning reel W/ 6 lb. test line. the reel stays ON the rod since the line is already threades through the guides.
Setting this telescoping rod up is much faster than my old Berkely fiberglass 5 piece spin/fly rod that had to be threaded on each setup. Aslo the telescoping rod has no flat spots caused by ferrules, as in my old 5 piece 'glass rod.
Lures, etc. are carried in a small, light 4" X 6" plastic box. I also take a light stringer.
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