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Yet more on windshirts (Cirrus v. Zephyr)

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David Chenault BPL Member
PostedJan 21, 2014 at 9:55 am

I spend a fair amount of time thinking about windshirts. I've owned quite a few. There is a good reason for all this; unless it's raining steadily or warm, when outside I'm always wearing one.

The two which have gotten the most play in the last twelve months are the Rab Cirrus and Zephyr. It is not a coincidence. Aside from fabric and a few minor details, they're identical. Same fit (which suits me perfectly, and is the biggest factor in why I own them), same full zip, same pockets, same (excellent and simple) hood. The Cirrus has a half hem drawcord and elastic cuffs, and is made from Pertex Quantum. The Zephyr has a plain hem, lycra bound cuffs, and is made from stretch fabric, with thicker, tougher nylon weave on the tops of the arms and shoulders. The Zephyr weighs about twice as much as the Cirrus.

I've used the Zephyr a lot more often. It breathes better and is thus more comfortable across a wider temperature range, especially at temps above 40F. Over the summer I found a baselayer tshirt and the Zephyr often got the job done. During real cold (<15F) the enhanced breathability prevents moisture from condensing within my clothing system. The Zephyr is also more abrasion resistant than the Cirrus.

The shortcoming of the Zephyr is in moisture retention. It sucks up a lot more (either sweat or precip) than the Cirrus, and takes significantly longer to dry. I find myself reaching for the Cirrus in that window of temps between 45F and 15F, when for a variety of reasons its just harder to stay dry. The Cirrus is also the obvious choice when its going to be exceptionally windy.

It may seem excessive to have two windshirts, especially given that they are not cheap. Given how much they get worn, I think the expense is well justified. Additionally, my very expensive Goretex anorak is in almost new shape after 3+ years of use, because the windshirts take most of the abuse.

Which would I keep if I could only have one? Fortunately I don't have to make that choice.

If I'm going on a more aerobic endeavor in dryish, warmish weather I'll take the Zephyr.

If I expect high winds I'll take the Cirrus.

If I'm expecting lots of drizzle I'll take the Cirrus.

If I'll be doing lots of bushwacking and/or scrambling I'll take the Zephyr.

If I'm taking a windshirt as a rain coat proxy, in a dry environment like the Utah desert, I'll take the Cirrus.

If I were going on a long hike with unpredictable weather, I'd take the Cirrus, unless if were summer, when I'd probably take the Zephyr.

The ideal would of course be a fabric which blends the best of both. There is; Pertex Equilibrium, unfortunately I've found the readily available variants to not be tough enough for my needs.

Andy Stow BPL Member
PostedJan 21, 2014 at 10:19 am

I bought myself (and allowed my wife to give me) my first ever windshirt for Christmas 2013. I splurged and got a Houdini. I've been using it exclusively for cycling. I've done a few hundred miles in it now in temperatures from just under 0 °F to 50 °F. Keep in mind that I'm new both to windshirts, and to cold weather cycling. I'm still struggling a bit with thermoregulation, but have generally been comfortable enough. Yesterday I did ten miles at 30 °F in just a thin base layer plus the Houdini, and was comfortable. My impressions:

1. It is useful. Base layer + medium weight fleece + windshirt and I'm still too warm when exerting myself down to as cold as I care to ride in.

2. It doesn't pass vapor as well as I'd hoped, for a non-waterproof. Almost every time I finish, it's covered with condensate on the inside. My rides are usually a bit over an hour.

3. I love how small it packs. Maybe a better strategy would be to go with just the fleece, then add the windshirt if I start to chill?

4. Zipper pulls are tiny, and hard to work even in thin gloves.

PostedJan 21, 2014 at 10:22 am

There is definitely some merit to having two windshells. My two of choice right now are the Patagonia Houdini and the Mountain Hardwear Chockstone (some would consider it an unlined softshell, but similar to the Rab Boreas, mentioned here as a wind layer http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=69908).
Both are hooded.
Breathability is close to the same on both, with the Chockstone edging out the Houdini by a bit.
Therefore, Houdini is better for warmth/blocking out the most wind. I use it more in the colder temps / heavy wind.

The thicker stretch woven construction of the Chockstone makes it significantly more durable for bushwacking.

The Houdini is under 4 oz.
The Chockstone is right around 9 oz. :-(

I find that I use the Chockstone more around town, simply because it has pockets. However, I tend not to use it as much on the trail, because it's double the weight of my Houdini.
Also, I've found the EPIC like treatment of the Houdini material gives it the upper hand in precipitation.

I have yet to try any garments with the Pertex Equilibrium yet, but I remember reading about in Mark Verber's posts. It sounds great.

PostedJan 21, 2014 at 10:27 am

Interesting. What cfm do you think would be required at least(so lower then the Zephyr but higher then the Cirrus) for the compromise fabric ?

PostedJan 22, 2014 at 12:45 am

"I spend a fair amount of time thinking about windshirts." –Guilty of the same (thanks in part to your thoughtful evolving web commentary!)
I’ve come to a similar place with what works when. All this thinking and testing has led me to a quiver of 4: rab boreas, alpine, stoic wraith, & TNF better than naked (equilebrium). Its excessive, but I’m OK with having paid about $200 total, and they all see a fair amount of use.

–Rab Alpine—My favorite for ski touring and yes, it is the best of the cirrus and boreas. Surprisingly weather resistant, breathable and very quick drying. The hood also fits well over a helmet, which I usually wear all day for touring. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the durability of rab's equilebrium having taken the rab VR alpine ice and mixed climbing a few times, but yes I could imagine it getting snagged bush wacking

–Rab Boreas—my fav for rock climbing because of the stretchy close fit. Snagged the sleeve on sharp shelf rd limestone, but it would of torn mostly any clothing

–Stoic Wraith—I love this one b/c its so light (2.5oz) and compact, yet noticeably more breathable than other superlight windshirts. This is a go to for backpacking trips. I don’t think there is an actual DWR, which I’m OK with. More than a drizzle and I put my WP/ ’B’shell on

–TNF better than naked (old model)—this one has no hood but I like it a lot anyway. Its close fitting, with no flapping for running, and the material, like the alpine, is more on the cloth side of the spectrum (breathable) Its 4oz, so on some trips I can justify bringing this and the wraith for varying conditions.

So basically, I have specialized windshirts for each of the activities I do most. The minimalist in me is kicking and screaming, but its nice having stuff that works without much compromise for each sport.

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