‘Wildlife paparazzi’ suspected of baiting wolves with turkey dinner

You and Majid should really just go make out or something…

Philosophy? really? delete?

"Park spokesman Dan Hottle says the 110-pound male wolf had come within a few feet of visitors and park staff on several occasions since this summer. Efforts to haze the wolf away from populated areas had proved unsuccessful."

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2011/oct/12/yellowstone-officials-kill-wolf-seeking-food-handouts/

Philosophy? really? delete?

feeding wildlife is a serious issue around here …

a fed wild animal is a dead wild animal …

perhaps its OK to feed wildlife where you are for pictures, but generally one does not want to habituate the animals so that they see humans as a source of food

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It still has nothing to do with a philosophy or technique of backpacking.. Chaff for sure.

copy paste googlebot

move to Chanff.

"move to Chaff"…. immediately after the first post, IMHO.

It still has nothing to do with a philosophy or technique of backpacking.. Chaff for sure.

feeding wild animals and habituating them to humans as a food source have nothing to do with the philosophy of outdoors?

really?

well banff national park seems to think its an issue

i suspect many BPLers enjoy banff national park, including backpackers …

-You can prevent carnivores from becoming conditioned to human food. Store your food, garbage, and dog food securely so that carnivores such as wolves, cougars, or coyotes cannot gain access to it.
-Never approach, entice, or feed wildlife.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ab/banff/natcul/animaux-animals/securite-carnivores-safety.aspx

in fact in many places its a finable offense to do so …

only on BPL is feeding wildlife not a worthy topic … this forum is on "best practices", one would hope that includes NOT feeding the animals

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just as relevant as Majid posting hikers walking off cliffs is a climbing story.

you need a hobby.

from HIKEsafe which is operated by the The White Mountain National Forest and New Hampshire Fish and Game Department to "educate those hiking throughout New Hampshire about the steps they must take in order to be prepared before entering the forest" … isnt that near where youre from? (well "near" in canadian geographical terms =P) … and im sure where many BPLer enjoy hiking

Don't feed the animals. While it may seem exciting at the time to have an animal eat out your hand, there are potential serious consequences. Some animals that become accustomed to handouts may lose their natural fear of humans. This may cause them to become aggressive with visitors who refuse to feed them. This situation may lead to human injury, which in turn usually means the death of the animal involved. Human food does not meet the living requirements for many animals and may seriously harm them. Animals who have become accustomed to handouts may be faced with starvation once that food source is no longer available.

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Which is as common sense as don't fall off a cliff.

posting a story about one thing isn't going to open any ones eyes here. People who feed animals will probably do it regardless of posted rules.

there are people who feed the Grey Jays up in NH despite many posted rules. so now the birds will land on people and eat out of peoples hands. Many people have posted against this on regional sites and people who do it say they will still do it.

What about a hummingbid feeder or bird seed feeder from the eaves of my house?

Am I really doing them a dis-service?

its "common sense" for experienced people… but remember that there are many newer people to the outdoors, they may not have it reinforced that its a "wrong" or "dangerous" thing to do

this is especially true in national parks with a large number of visitors from other countries (banff national park) or even the local ones here where many outdoor new folks are from a foreign country where the "ethics" and "rules" may be quite different

and they might even be "BPL"ers …

also there are a number of wildlife and outdoor photographers on this site if we are to judge by their posting on such gear in their lists … i suspect that the feeding of animals for pictures is something that most wont condone

there are MANY threads on BPL that wont open anyones eyes … i cant point to one on "UL weight definitions" …

however in this case it is about an ACTUAL story of wildlife being fed and habituated, and enough of a concern that a national park has directly asked that this not happen

and another BPL member has posted an additional story of habituated wolves being killed because of human food

if thats not "philosophy" and "best practices" …. then we need to get back to our regularly scheduled arguments on UL weights

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What about a hummingbid feeder or bird seed feeder from the eaves of my house?

Am I really doing them a dis-service?

jerry …

if you are in squamish, yes you are if other animals can access it …

from a post a few days ago from the district of squamish

Remember, not all bears are hibernating, so keep birdfeeders inaccessible to bears twelve months of the year. Do not attract or feed wildlife. Deer, raccoons, mice, squirrels and rabbits are natural prey and may attract coyotes and cougars into our residential neighbourhoods. For more information on Squamish wildlife: http://squamish.ca/our-services/wildlife/

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I admit it: when the Grey Jays get close enough for me to feed them, and I have something to feed them, I feed 'em! Of course, I'm not often in a National Park when that happens, but I think I have done so in a National Park before, and I would most likely do so again.

I think this would come under the heading of tempest-in-a-teacup. It probably makes relatively little difference in the big scheme of things if some populations of Grey Jays get used to handouts. In the off-season, they'd still have to forage. Meanwhile, across great stretches of habitat that is still not visited much by humans, the birds will continue to feed themselves.

Feeding a Grey Jay by hand is part of the charm of visiting our great western parks. How often does anybody get to feed a wild bird by hand? However, if a ranger is standing right there, I wouldn't do it. "

someone who has clearly thought about the issue and continues to do it.

http://www.vftt.org/forums/showthread.php?11561-Gray-Jays-to-feed-or-not-to-feed/page2

another thread where very experienced backpackers are talking about feeding birds

thats their call … and their fine if there are any

obviously it was "worthy" of discussion

if you or any other BPLer believe its fine to feed the wildlife … go right ahead and say so

that is a "philosophical" question to discuss

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nah , just proof that your reasoning that you need to tell inexperienced people isn't true and regardless of experience people will do whatever they are going to do.

"proof" … from one internet post from an "experienced" do what i want hiker?

hmmmmm

theres is perhaps a reason that many parks and outdoor places have education campaign and materials NOT to feed the wild animals

they believe it to be "worthy" of discussion even if you dont

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Put yourself in Eric's shoes. Here's how:

Spend all day on the internet*.
Read lots of vaguely outdoorsy stories.
Get that itchy, undeniable "must post link" feeling.
Randomly choose one of the 10-15 outdoors, climbing, etc. forums upon which you continuously post.
Post link and synopsis, along with (if on BPL) a blanket insult to all BPL members about "yr shiny, unused gear."
Repeat.
(If anyone questions why you are doing it, act as the sorely aggrieved party.)

* Previous BPL posts from just the last day by EC: a day ago, 22 hours ago, 21 hours, 15, 14, (sleeping), 4 hours, 3, 2, 1, 42 minutes, 24 minutes ago.

ahhh … more personal attacks mr "dave T"

typical of you

perhaps you would care to contribute on the actual article … if you are so set on more personal attacks such as before then i suggest PMing

as to myself ive started some easy climbing again .. unfortunately i could only do 1 lead and 3 other pitches before my achilles started hurting

but you dont care about that do you know other than some flaming enjoyment … seems like you posted almost every day yourself … pot calling the kettle black there

how was you weekend outdoors ;)

partner one an easy lead, we both lead up monday … no long walks yet

feel free to PM me if you want to talk about your daily posting habits this past week

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I know Eric's postings very well from other sites and here. that is why i compared him to another rock climbing poster who is obsessed with posting every accident article that is remotely related to climbing. ie hikers who get lost, fall, etc. Majid's posting style got him relegated to only posting a few times per day and banned from the accident forum for a while for continually posting nonsense.

i may have posted a few examples of experienced people feeding animals.. you posted one article that seems to have originated near a road of some type since the ranger/police "pulled up to the scene" not exactly backpacking. more like tourons being idiots.

Please see: "If anyone questions why you are doing it, act as the sorely aggrieved party."

(And, of course, include yet another reference to injury and everyone's perceived dismissal of it, take standard "insult in public, request all responses in private" approach, equate hourly posting with daily posting, etc.)

and these human fed wolves do wander around you know … they can easily run into backpackers who they may associate with food …

"stupid tourons" or not

habituated wild animals, especially larger ones, are a serious enough issue that most wildlife areas dont take too kindly to it happening

this is particularly true around BC, bears are killed all the time here because of people …

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Please see: "If anyone questions why you are doing it, act as the sorely aggrieved party."

(And, of course, include yet another reference to injury and everyone's perceived dismissal of it, take standard "insult in public, request all responses in private" approach, equate hourly posting with daily posting, etc.)

why mister "dave T" … since you referenced my "spend all day indoors" … i thought you would be most happy to see a fellow BPL member recovering from an injury enough to hobble outside and climb for a bit

of course if i have this all wrong and you merely seek to flame we can always continue this on PM

since youre the one who brought up postings … how was your daily postings, you are uninjured i assume and are going outside heartily this past week even in the "polar vortex"

its quite interesting that your post to me are always flames, and never an actual comment about the topic …

as always feel free to PM

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You must get a lot of PM's.