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Insulation layer: loose or tight?

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Adrian B BPL Member
PostedJul 8, 2007 at 10:11 pm

Does a loose fitting down/synthetic insulating layer compromise it's performance?

Case in point: I've just received my Cocoon UL 60. It's a great jacket, but in medium I'm a little surprised at how roomy it is.

Obviously 'loose' and 'fitting' are totally relative terms, but to try and put it in perspective: at just under 5'9" and stocky rather than thin (77kg/170lbs) I'm generally spot on a medium size in most clothes. For example my 2007 Montbell Thermawrap Vest in medium is close fitting – I couldn't wear a heavy-weight base layer underneath.

So I think I could easily go down to small in the Cocoon. The question is, should I? The extra room means I'd comfortably be able to fit an insulated vest underneath, without any risk of compression. Even with the looser fit, the lycra around the waist & hood and the adjustable hood still ensures a good seal. Weight difference between the two sizes in negligible.

Adrian B BPL Member
PostedJul 8, 2007 at 10:13 pm

(…continued – forum seems to hang posting 'long' message?!)

But does a close fitting insulation layer perform better? Conventional wisdom with sleeping bags seems to be that air space is bad, which would seem to apply to jackets too. In which case to get the larger, more flexible, guaranteed-no-compression fit there might be a slight performance hit. (On the other hand, when it really matters you'd be using that flexibility by wearing something underneath.)

Michael Martin BPL Member
PostedJul 8, 2007 at 10:45 pm

Hi Adrian-

Specific to the Cocoons, I noticed the same thing. My 2007 large hoody is cut much more roomy than my older (2005?) pullover. I need the arm length, otherwise I would downsize to a medium. (I'm 6'2", 160 lb.)

In general, maximum warmth will be achieved if the garment fits snugly enough to eliminate air pockets, but not so snugly that the insulation is compressed. Your sleeping bag analogy is spot on — in fact a proper fit is even more critical in a garment because you move around more when wearing it, increasing "bellows effect" convective heat loss over a sleeping bag where you are more or less stationary.

Cheers,

-Mike

Adrian B BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2007 at 6:21 pm

Well I’ve taken the plunge and ordered the small. I’m a bit confused by the difference between the original sizing chart linked to with the prepurchase (http://www.bozemanmountainworks.com/?do=showpage&id=18) and the sizings which have been added to the cocoon pages recently (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/cocoon_ul_60_hoody.html): seems the latter reflect the larger sizings of the garments?

If anyone in New Zealand is interested in saving postage on a medium Cocoon hoody, if you’re quick you can get a good deal before I send it back (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=108324616&ed=true).

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