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Lightweight, hooded long sleeve shirt options?

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Derek M. BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2013 at 2:27 am

I'm trying to find a lightweight, hooded long sleeve shirt to add to my layering system and I haven't found a lot of options in my (admittedly cursory) internet search. The only thing I've come up with so far is the Patagonia Lightweight Sun Hoody:

Patagonia Sun Hoody

Does anyone have any other suggestions? I haven't been all that crazy about the fit of Patagonia t-shirts lately: the medium size is usually the right length but too tight, while the large is the right width but too long. I'm 5'10" 165lbs, so it's not like I'm unusually sized or anything. It's all a little maddening actually.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Marko Botsaris BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2013 at 4:56 am

The sun hoodie probably is not that great as insulation, if that is what you want. That is usually what people mean by layering. More like a one piece does it all in mild weather.

You might consider these two for insulation, both merino wool. They are base layers, not street clothes, so no pockets. (if you are really from the PNW then you might consider one of these)

Ibex Indie Merino Hoodie:

http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Ibex-Men-s-Hooded-Indie-Top_10204803_10208_10000001_-1_?cm_mmc=PPC-_-GooglePlusBox-_-Ibex-_-Ibex-Men-s-Hooded-Indie-Top&ad_id=GooglePlusBox&adtype=pla&gclid=CLqH5OuJlLsCFUhxQgod_0UAsA

MEC T2 Merino Hoodie:

http://www.mec.ca/product/5020-574/mec-merino-t2-zip-hoodie-mens/

I have both of them and can't say anything bad about either. Ibex has thumb loops, MEC doesn't. Otherwise both about the same.

PostedDec 3, 2013 at 6:58 am

I would definitely go for a merino wool hoodie for layering.

I hear you on the sizing. I've always been between M and L. Luckily, I'm your weight and tall, so Patagonia's large is actually fine.

Godspeed, fellow betweener…

PostedDec 3, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Rick, the Rab MeCo stuff and the 55% merino/45% nylon base layers dry in a decent time. Wouldn't use 100% merino though. I like to wear the merino-synth blends on the skin and then synth over same. So far, works fine for me. Also seems to lessen stink of the next synth layer.

The wool warm when wet thing might be exaggerated, but there is something to it.

PostedDec 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm

If warm when wet wasn't a scientifically provable concept, wetsuits wouldn't exist.

Robb Watts BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm

One of my favorite, cool weather lounge arounnd the fire with a beer shirts. Not very warm, loose bulky fit but comfortable as cotton socks. Definitely a luxury, not a technical piece

Dustin Short BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Max, you're wrong. Wool dries slowly which reduces flash cooling, hence the "warm when wet". For reference are there any wet suits suitable for arctic water (ie around freezing) temps? No, those situations require insulation and a drysuit. 55F is not particularly "cold" albeit much worse in water than in air.

Derek M. BPL Member
PostedDec 5, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Thanks for the suggestions so far.

I should probably be a little more clear about what I'm looking for so there is no confusion…

Basically I'm looking for a long sleeve shirt that is maybe a little warmer than a t-shirt but can protect me from sun.

When I said I was looking for a "layering" piece, I simply meant one that will fit over a t-shirt but under a fleece/puffy and a wind jacket if need be. I don't hold any illusions that the sun hoodie (for instance) will provide all that much insulation on it's own, but I know it will be warmer than nothing when combined with other layers. I am often surprised about how warm many layers of fabric can be, even if they aren't marketed as "insulation layers."

I think the Rab Boreas is out because I do not want a zipper, and I definitely don't want any spandex in the shirt (which the Boreas has).

Please keep the suggestions coming though.

I know it's a lot easier to find non-hooded versions of this kind of a long sleeve t shirt, so I'll guess I'll have to consider that. Still, I just like hoods: they are cozy when it's chilly and they can help keep the sun off when it's clear out.

PostedDec 5, 2013 at 9:19 pm

"Max, you're wrong. Wool dries slowly which reduces flash cooling, hence the "warm when wet"."

There's more to it than that, if it was as simple as the above, then any hydrophillic and slower drying material would have some "warmth while wet" properties, and that's just not true.

Cotton for example, even my beloved, hollow core fiber Linen isn't warm when wet, in fact, it's quite cooling though it will feel drier longer and faster than will cotton.

There's different things at play here. The conductivity of the material seems to matter, and to some extent the physical structure.

Wool was designed by nature to provide some warmth while wet, and sheeps wool along with some other animal fibers are somewhat uniquely designed in that respect. So no, Max isn't far off on this one (though i think it's often exaggerated a lot). However, they would be even warmer while wet if one could keep them in their natural state (as on the animal), more filled with waxy or fatty coatings that also provide water repellency.

My ancestors, the Scottish Highlanders, wore a lot of very greasy wool in a climate that tends to be cold, wet, and windy (and use to be noticeably colder in some semi-recent cycles, like the mid 1700's or so). It was their primary garment material (not so well known, is Scots also often wore linen)

If wool wasn't warm when wet, they would likely not have survived that crappy combination of conditions. In some ways, such conditions can be more challenging than extreme Arctic, but dry cold.

Brian Johns BPL Member
PostedDec 5, 2013 at 9:49 pm

I have both the sun hoodie and the patagonia fisherman's (??) hoodie. Anyway, the Sun Hoody is a little heavy and not a great BP layer. The tropical/fisherman's hoody, on the other hand, is perfect. It's like a very lightweight capilene with thumb loops, a high collar button, and a hood – all of these for sun protection. But it's a nice quick dry / low stink poly material that is my go-to hiking shirt in summer, and would likely be great under a T and R1 in the winter. Anyway, that's the one you want. Sorry but I can't think of the exact model. It has a slanted chest pocket like most of their performance fleece. No kangaroo/hoody pocket.

Marko Botsaris BPL Member
PostedDec 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm

Derek,

OK, so based on what you clarified subsequently I take it is the *fit* that has been the issue, but you actually do want something more or less like the Sun Hoodie in material weight.

The only other thing Patagonia has (could be a renamed old thing) is the "tropical" hoodie. No hand pockets, and very slightly lighter material. With Patagonia these days the fit might be completely different since it is a different product. *guffaw*

I'd actually be interested in hearing about something like that, so I will keep looking here. I'd love it if there was a silkweight capilene hoodie, for instance, but I have a silkweight capilene fetish. Something like that would be perfect for sun as well as a nice base layer – you can never have too many hoods in my book. I can sport 4 at once if I wear all my layers. OK, that probably counts as a hood fetish as well.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedDec 8, 2013 at 9:46 pm

"I'd love it if there was a silkweight capilene hoodie"

Make one!

There are patterns available for little money. Pick whatever superlightweight fabric you want. Sew it.

–B.G.–

Marko Botsaris BPL Member
PostedDec 9, 2013 at 12:16 am

"Make one!"

Naw, that would ruin it for me.

This is a bit like the guy on here several months back in the thread talking about ways to cook your pasta without having to boil the water for 10 minutes and waste all that fuel, who posted that all of our discussion was a waste of time, and didn't we know that we could make our own dehydrated pasta with a dehydrator.

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