Nov 21, 2013 at 8:44 am #1310088
Matt AllenBPL Member
FF gear rarely goes on sale. Fantastic gear.Nov 21, 2013 at 11:22 am #2046908
good deal. but not made in the USA anymore. most of their jackets are now made overseas.Nov 21, 2013 at 11:31 am #2046913
It is a good deal. And, yes, they are no longer made in the US. I have also found the fit to be a bit odd. There was a similar sale this time last year. I ordered both the Sm and Medium as I am typically between. I returned them both. The fit felt awkward on both. I found the neck collar to be excessively large and the pockets a bit high which felt awkward and uncomfortable with my hands in the pockets. I really wanted to like the FF jackets, but didn't. I also found the advertised weights to be false… actual weights were higher.
BillNov 21, 2013 at 11:45 am #2046920
I picked up the Helios here on Gear Swap a couple years back. I find the length of the jacket to be about 4-inches to short in the back. When I wear it I find myself pulling the back down to keep the breeze out. I've never done that with other jackets. And when you bend over…forget it…one cold breeze comes in.
Thank you for mentioning the large neck opening. I can stick my fist in there. You can feel the warm body heat coming out the opening….strange.Nov 21, 2013 at 11:52 am #2046921
I was tempted to order one, but the first thing I noticed was that it looked way too short for my purposes. Thanks for confirming that, John.Nov 21, 2013 at 11:53 am #2046924
John, you are right. I had forgotten how short they are cut. I am a short guy so this is not usually an issue for me… but I do remember feeling the Helios to be uncomfortably short in cut… along with the high pockets and the huge neck opening…
Like I said, strange cut to their jackets. I opted for a Western Mountaineering at full price rather than the 40% off of a Helios… too bad a good name like FF is reduced by their strange cut.
BillNov 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm #2046933
Matt AllenBPL Member
I didn't know that they moved production overseas. That is surprising. Thanks for the heads up.Nov 21, 2013 at 12:24 pm #2046934
I think they may still make their sleeping bags here in the US… though you would have to check carefully if it matters to you… I felt they were a bit deceptive when they changed production of their jackets to overseas as they left the made in USA claims on their web page for quite some time after the change.
I still like their sleeping bags. And some of their other jackets may fit better than the Heilos…
Bill DNov 21, 2013 at 3:01 pm #2046980
I have the older style hooded helios and have to say it is one of the most comfortable jackets i own….but,
the shorter cut is what stops me wearing it more. I understand it is a 'belay' jacket. Hence the shorter cut. I don't climb.
It is a very puffy jacket with lots of loft and the absolutely best pocket of any jacket i have ever worn. No zipper just natural angle pockets with a little elastic opening. with down on both sides.
The photo looks like the older style. In the new description they say they have added a few more inches to the length for the newer versions. I am buying one and will see if that is the case. I really hope so
Matt.Nov 21, 2013 at 3:24 pm #2046985
Interesting. I found the pocket placement to be very uncomfortable.
If you buy on sale, make sure they agree to a return policy if you don't like it.
Last year they sales person on the phone assured me all was returnable in 30 days for a full refund. When I called for a return number another person said that their policy is to not make any refunds on sale items. That's another thing that put me off about FF… they seemed to be a bit confused up there. Each time I called or emailed I got different answers.
BillNov 21, 2013 at 3:37 pm #2046989
Bill- thanks for the heads-up on the return policy. I will look into it.Nov 21, 2013 at 8:39 pm #2047073
Jeff JeffBPL Member
The cut is short so it doesn't get in the way of a harness.
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