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PostedNov 17, 2013 at 7:47 am

I recently received a Pertex down vest and a 1.1oz ripstop nylon wind shell from Luke's Ultralite.
The wind shell was "calendared for wind resistance". Whatever that means, it works well. The description also says, "Coated with a high quality DWR". While I haven't tested it, it certainly does appear to be and I'm sure it will do quite well with a little bit of dampness.

The workmanship was superb. No bunched seams, or hanging stitches. The material has a very nice feel to it. It appears strong, but again, I'm not going to test it.

The fit was perfect. There is enough room to get a good base layer underneath. The cut wasn't boxy. I'm 6' with a 36" waist and ordered a large.

I contacted Luke, concerned with the length before committing to a purchase. For me, and I'm sure a lot of folks out there, most wind breakers/wind shirts are too short. I struggle to keep my wrists covered and I hate the breeze when I reach down to pick something up. My correspondence was returned on the same day which was a Sunday.
I was instructed to bend my head forward, with my chin on my chest. I then measured from my chin to where I wanted the bottom of the shell. For me it was 27", just below my favorite shirt. The shell came out perfect.

The sleeves hang down past my second knuckle. With the optional shock cord sleeve adjusters, they stay securely at wrist level and don't slide down when not wanted.

I haven't had a Houdini so I can't really compare. Luke's initial wind shell is $70, so it may be a little cheaper. Adding wrist adjustment adds $10 and underarm zips add another $10. A waterproof pocket can also be added for another $30. I went without a pocket and paid $90. Close to the Houdini when it's not on sale.

The wrist adjustments are good quality shock cord. The under arm zips to me appear to be extra long. You could actually wear it by putting your arms through the zips. I'm not sure why you would. Not a problem mind you. They are very effective.

I can't say on the pocket. what I did though is that liking this one so much, I decided to give it away. I've ordered a second one with a pocket.

I haven't said much about the vest. It has all the same qualities as the wind shell. It fits a bit tighter as it should with enough room underneath for a light base layer. It zips snugly around my neck which is about 16". Again the length was addressed. It has 900 down fill and again the fabric has a very nice feel. It has Luke's WPB Pertex fabric on the outside which again, I haven't tested. He also has them without the Pertex for $25 less.

Look wise, it is ultralite. I like the look. The website pictures I feel do little justice. If I did have a critique, it would be the pictures. The Pertex when photographed, looks shiny and metallic. It actually has a softer look. For the wind shell, perhaps I'm partial to the black and not the color represented in the picture. To me it really doesn't matter. Fit and function rule. Fashion is only a bonus.

Great quality product, explicit service, and just flat out pleasant to deal with.

I was a bit disappointed to hear Luke had a 14 day lead time, but my purchase was sent out in ten with fast delivery.
http://lukesultralite.com/content/ripstop-nylon-wind-shell

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PostedNov 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm

I was familiar with this jacket vs their silnylon rain jacket but I guess don't fully appreciate why silnylon the rain jacket couldn't serve both purposes. As you mentioned, Luke's describes the wind shell material as "This jacket uses a 1.1oz ripstop nylon that has been calendared for wind resistance and coated with a high quality DWR (Durable Water Resistant Finish)."

My assumption is that the nylon ripstop won't breathe and the wearer will need to rely on ventilation. If this is true, then there is obviously some property of the 1.1oz rip stop's wind resistance (per their description) that makes it appreciably more desirable than silnylon which I assumed is windproof.

Can you offer any opinions on this? Obviously my understanding of these materials is pretty basic.

PostedNov 17, 2013 at 11:27 pm

"my understanding of these materials is pretty basic"
You and me both.

On a 0 to 10 scale with mesh being zero and plastic being 10, this material is maybe a 6 or 7 while sylnylon is closer to 9 or 10. Ventilation isn't enough to make up the difference. You'd sweat more.

PostedNov 17, 2013 at 11:33 pm

I've had only good experiences with Luke's UL. Offers custom options for very reasonable prices.

I will note that he currently has a Pertex En shell for sale as a rain shell, while the fabric is not in fact waterproof. Either I misread the description or there is a typo somewhere.

PostedNov 18, 2013 at 7:34 am

I'm thinking that it is a typo. The description for the fabric reads the same on the on the Pertex site except "water proof" is replaced by "water resistant". The numbers listed are the same so it doesn't appear to be an attempt at deception. While it does raise the red flag,I felt that I was dealing with a very honest person. I expect a few quirks here and there when dealing with the independents.
At this time you are not going to find good rain protection that you will want to wear in dry weather. Everything is going to be a compromise one way or the other.

His Pertex shell does seem to be a step up on my scale from a wind shell and a step down from sylnylon. It appears to be somewhat of a niche product for when it's too damp for the wind shell but not damp enough to require a lot of protection. Ideally one would have the full range of shirts to cover every condition thus requiring only a single shell on a given trip. We could fine tune our gear every time. It also allows us to pick gear fine tuned to our particular areas.
Being lucky enough to afford one shell, I opted for the lightest he had. When the funds are replenished, I'll replace my Tyvek suit with a Epic rain shell. If I were in slightly wetter conditions, where I carried it more, I'd consider the Epic/Cuben fabric from Zpacks. I think I would still try to go to Luke for the build. The site says he does do custom. I don't know to what extent. Zpacks has a great reputation but we each have our own specialty. This seems to be Luke's.
That's just my thoughts though, and my made up scale. I would contact Luke and ask him. You'll get a fast answer. I have no doubt that he would steer you in the right direction. He has plenty of other fabrics to sell you. I doubt he actually makes much profit off of the material itself. He's selling his labor which is going to be pretty much the same regardless of the type of shell.

PostedNov 18, 2013 at 8:09 am

The question on the Pertex Rain Shell's waterproofness has came up a couple of times. I decided to send Luke an e-mail and will share his response.

PostedNov 18, 2013 at 9:33 am

In a quick response, Luke refereed me to the figures stated which are the same as the manufacturer's. With a rating of 1,000 mm it is considered waterproof by at least one article I found.
"For any fabric to be considered fully waterproof it must be able to withstand the pressure of a column of water 1000mm high without leaking. This is classed as a hydrostatic head rating of 1000…The British Ministry of Defense definition for a waterproof fabric is that it must resist a column of water at least eight hundred millimeters high."
A good article from Outdoorgear UK, with some fairly simple explanations.

http://www.outdoorgear.co.uk/hydrostatic-head.asp

PostedNov 20, 2013 at 4:54 am

I've determined, at least for my concerns, that the Pertex En was waterproof enough. While there are fabrics with greater resistance, other qualities are lost in the mix. They are heavier for one. This is lightweight backpacking.
After assurances from Luke that the fabric was indeed waterproof and was more than adequate for the water pressures exerted in the average rainstorm (300mm), I did a mild test by running water over the vest. The water did what it was supposed and ran off, leaving the fabric dry. Of course that doesn't account for hard wind driven rain or even the average rain storm, but this isn't a rain shell either.
It was enough to convince me to spring for the Pertex Rain Shell though. I'll do a shower test with that, unless of course I'm lucky and get rain.

I don't know if rain pants will be in the mix or not. Luke said he could do a pair of rain shorts or even a convertible pair, which would help with ventilation, but still durability becomes an issue. Perhaps a different fabric for the legs would help.

In the mean time, I did order some Frogg Togg rain shorts from Gander Mountain for $15 including shipping. They may be plenty good enough.

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