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Locus Gear CP3 Poles – Initial Impression

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Marc Kokosky BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2013 at 7:06 pm

Hey everyone. So this is sort of a pickup thread from the GG LT4 thread a while back announcing that they were back in stock. It took a turn to Locus Gear CP3 poles. I mentioned that I had a set on order and would report back. I have to say that I was so impressed with them so far, that it felt wrong to keep them under teh GG LT4 thread. It wouldn't do them justice.

As a FYI and reference to the previous thread see here:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=82752

First off, I need to say that they got here QUICK. It was less than 4 days from door to door from Japan to my office in Washington, DC. I couldn't wait to open up the package and check them out, but meetings called and I had to just store them away until I got home. Once I did I immediately took them out and tried them out in hand. I have to agree with the other posters. the grips that came on them were nothing impressive. Just some stock foam. The grip did feel pretty similar in hand as the GG LT grips, but they were still plain, black foam. From other posts in the initial thread, there was some success with the GG LT grips which can be purchased separately from the GG website. Knowing how much I love those grips, I immediately ordered a set when I ordered the CP3s.

Also lucky for me, the black stock grips on the CP3s came off with very little effort as they were only lightly glued on; to the point that it had me wondering how durable they would be with hard use. However it meant less headache for me when taking them off. Since the hand loops were installed in the grips those came off too, which was fine since I don't use them anyways. After I removed the grips, I took some 1,000 grit sandpaper and gently sanded off the glue that was remaining on the poles. I also used some GooGone to remove some of the glue as well. I wanted them to be as smooth and small diameter as possible since I knew that they were a couple mm bigger than the GG grips. To the GG grips, I took a screwdriver and gently rolled it around inside the hole to "stretch" the foam a little bit to accept the larger pole piece. Once I was satisfied that the poles were as smooth and clean as they were going to get, and the holes on the grips sufficiently stretched, I took them to a golf store. I initially got some weird looks walking in the a set of trekking poles, however once I explained to them what I was looking to do and that it was the same process as installing a golf grip they were comfortable with it and the technician slipped them right on. No issues whatsoever; like they were made for them. As with golf grips I let them sit an hour and not play with them so that the solvent would dry and stick.

Once they sat, I extended them to my normal length and pushed down on them to test out the flick locks. One of them slipped with almost no pressure, which had me worried. I unlocked the lock, handtightened the screw on the flick lock, tried again, it slipped again. Although this time it took noticeably more force. So one more go-round on the tightening… no slippage at all. The tension screw just must have been a bit loose from the factory.

Once I got home, I also threw them on the scale which is where I was truly surprised. with the GG grips, the weight of the total set… 10 oz! 5 oz. per pole! So that's only 1.8oz difference between the CP3 and the GG LT4s. .9 oz per pole difference for a three section, flick lock pole.

I'll also agree with another poster from the other thread. These are definitely stronger and "beefier" than the LT4s, however not as detriment. it just feels stouter and a bit thicker than the LT4s. As a big guy, I didn't have much confidence in the LT4s if I were to slip and needed to rely on them, especially with all of the stories of them snapping. With this one, I feel like they still may snap, but it will need to be a much more serious slip or fall, and it would still give me a fighting chance to recover.

Lastly, unlike some other posters, I have no rattle in mine which is apparently common in this model. It does rattle a bit when hitting it hard on the ground, but I think that's just the natural reverberation of the carbon on the metal flicklocks, which is unavoidable in my opinion given the design. Maybe I was expecting to hear something else.

So these very well be my new favorite poles. Once you add up all expenses, they basically come to the same price, maybe slightly more than the GG LT4 for only 1.8 oz weight penalty and the ability to adjust quickly with a flicklock and compact shorter for storage or pitching low hanging shelters and tarps. Well worth it IMHO.

So… in short, since pictures tell a thousand words, and I've already been rambling on; here you go:

Poles 1

Poles 2

Poles 3

Poles 4

PostedNov 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm

Sweet.

After I go through my LT4s, and my spare parts, these will be next.
Assuming they perform well during the "stress testing".

Thanks.

PostedNov 2, 2013 at 7:22 pm

…BUT, I'd replace the pole straps and learn how to use them with proper strap placement (just like you'd do with XC ski poles).

You have no idea how useful straps are until you have learned to use them. Non XC skiers often don't like pole straps because 1st, they don't understand how to place their hands in the straps and 2nd because they haven't experienced the usefuleness of pole straps when their hands are correctly placed in them.

Please take a look at a photo of good XC pole strap placement ( likely online) and try it.

Great poles like yours deserve the best.

PostedNov 2, 2013 at 7:50 pm

Marc…

Nice post. I really like the cp3s as well…and I just ordered the GG grips to try. My first two hikes with the locus gear poles gave me blisters, which I've never, ever had from hiking poles before. So I wondered if it was just a weird way I was gripping the black foam, or the foam itself.
Mine do rattle, and for the life of me I can't figure out what is actually rattling. I take the pole sections apart and the top and middle section do rattle, even if I hold tight to the flip lock. I'm dumbstruck on this one.

Eric, I agree about the straps…but interesting tidbit, when I use these UL poles I can't stand to use the straps. All my heavier poles (black diamond, leki) I couldn't imagine NOT using the straps, but when I use the much lighter versions the straps don't seem to help the same. And yes, I do use them like XC ski poles.

PostedNov 2, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Marc,
Thank you very much for the detailed post. Today, I had to call off a hike because the twist-locks on a Gabel carbon would not work – the final last straw for twist-locks for me.

You review is very helpful. Not sure if I'll also wait to see if Black Diamond puts out anything lighter in flick-locks before spring, but the Locus is looking like the best option right now.

Was going to ask what is wrong with black foam, but Jennifer's post maybe answered that. See that you didn't risk boiling the poles. Don't blame you. May just put on the whole foam grips I have with ridged extension sleeves if I can get them off my discount ski poles. The ridges on the foam extension sleeves (at a right angle to the pole) really help, especially in the rain when the pole gets wet.

PostedNov 2, 2013 at 8:29 pm

I don't recall what was said about black grips, but from my experience, black EVA sheds and leaves your hands black by the end of a long day..

Marc Kokosky BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Nope I never boiled the grips. Didn't need to. I just took a box cutter and cut through the foam on one side, then on the other side and peeled it off like a banana. On one pole the entire grip came off in one piece. On the other it ripped and came off in pieces, but it wasn't difficult at all. Took me maybe 10 min total from start to finish for both.

Yeah the stock grips had an ergonomic feel, but they were a little uncomfortable. I could see blisters as a possibility had I used them.

Marc Kokosky BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm

Yeah that was my or concern and why I didn't bother with them. My hands sweat a lot and every other black pair I've had they left my hands black. These seemed to be of a bit cheaper quality so I could see that being a real possibility with these.

Marc Kokosky BPL Member
PostedNov 7, 2013 at 5:55 pm

I assuming they used this stuff. I not sure if it's an adhesive, or just activates the adhesive on tape used to re-grip golf clubs.

http://www.golfsmith.com/product/30040235/golfsmith-grip-solvent-1-quart

Either way I'm not worried since I just needed the lube to get it on the shaft. I assume it has enough stickiness to keep the grips on especially once the cork constricted around the larger diameter shaft. They don't budge or move at all, even when I try.

PostedNov 8, 2013 at 3:43 pm

So bought one pole.
The weight, with the basket, is 5.9 oz to the nearest tenth of an ounce.
The half inch twill tape for the strap is flimsy, but I seldom use the strap.
So all depends on how well they hold up. Will post about that.

Looked at everything on the Black Diamond site, and the lightest are around 8 oz and up. Like the BD slim, stainless locks though.

The CP3 grips seem fine to me, elastic enough to palm without pain.
But if the foam smears or sheds, will post about that also.

Now the question is how to get the ridged extension sleeve on. The collar above the lock on the top pole section does not twist off like they do on cheap poles, but as the foam extension sleeve is fairly elastic, I may be able to slip it over the collar with a lubricant. If not, will have to remove the grip. Hate to put the carbon tube into boiling water though. It's that or cutting. Will have to make that decision if the extension sleeve will not slip over the collar at the lock end of the pole section.

If all goes OK, this should drop my pole weight by at least an ounce and a half, a definite improvement. Goodbye to twist locks forever.

Edit/update: The 5.9 oz includes the rubbery pole tip that goes over the carbide tip.
It's fit is not tight enough to withstand mud and root sucking, so will either replace it or paint it glo-orange to find when it comes off. Always use rubbery tips.
Quiet, LNT, absorb some shock and actually work better than carbide in some conditions. Not for winter ice though.

rmeurant BPL Member
PostedNov 8, 2013 at 6:04 pm

Having actually used the stock grips on the CP3s for some time now, I can confirm they don't smear the hand. Nor have I experienced blisters.
Also, while minimal, I consider the straps are perfectly adequate for such a lightweight product, and in fact can be quickly replaced without damaging the grip, and according to Jotaro (in an earlier email about a separate enquiry) are designed with that in mind, as many Japanese like to customise them.
As regards customising techniques, why don't you get Jotaro's advice? He is real helpful.

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