Aug 27, 2013 at 9:48 am #1306998
The Fire Pot starts out as the mug you see on the left. On the right is the finished kit inside a Tyvek stuff sack. Total weight of kit is 220 grams/7.6 ounces
I begin the modification of the mug by cutting off the handle and adding a modified Light My fire Grandpas Fire fork as the new handle. I also add a heavy duty ridgeline to the side of the pot at the 2 cup level as a place for the pot to be supported by the titanium cone when using the Modified StarLyte Burner when alcohol is used as fuel.
This is what the pot looks like when resting inside the cone in the alcohol or Esbit burn mode:
This is what it looks like when the cone is in the wood /twig burn mode with stainless steel cross pot support centered by means of half notches Notches secure the support in all directions.
A stainless steel fire grate is resting on 2 twigs that will allow central air flow to the vertical stack of twigs. The stack will be top lit. One load of twigs will boil 2 cups of water easily. The stainless steel rings is hand held for use in stacking a load of twigs prior to placing it on the fire grate.
Three different types of fuel can be used, wood, alcohol and solid fuel Esbit tablets.
A stainless steel ground protection sheet is provided when burning wood;
Tyvek sleeves are provided for storage of the grate, pot support and cone:
These are all the items contained in the kit:
Everything you see there packs neatly inside the pot.
1 – Stainless steel pot , 3-1/2 cup capacity with lid and Fire Fork handle that can be used to roast hot dogs/marshmallows , fish etc. Weight = 3.8 oz/108 grams
1 – Titanium windscreen/pot support. Weight = 0.8 oz/24 grams
1 – Stainless steel ground protection sheet. Weight 0.5 oz./15 grams
1 Stainless steel cross shaped pot support w/cover for the wood burning mode. Weight 0.7 oz/21 grams
1 Stainless steel grate w/cover. Weight 0.2 oz/7 grams
1 Stainless steel twig stacking ring. Weight 0.2 oz/8 grams
1 Modified StarLyte Burner w/lid. Weight 0.5 oz/16 grams
1 – Round tray for burning Esbit. Weight 0.1 oz/5 grams
2 -Tyvek stuff sacks (one for entire kit and one for the Ti cone windscreen/pot support)
Total weight of kit = 7.6 ounces/220 grams
Cost of kit shipped to CONUS only = $79.95 = $4.95 S&H
Sale is offered to viewers of backpackinglight.com only.
I have only 6 kits available.Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 am #2019042
I have 5 kits left.
I can ship to European countries if you send me a PM with your location so I can get actual cost for your area. I will then send a paypal invoice to you.Aug 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm #2019307
I like wood as my go to fuel :-)Aug 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm #2019621
I have 4 kits remaining.
Reminder: The Titanium Windscreen/Pot Support is made by TD.
For you folks out there that like wood as your fuel this is a super deal.
Lightest stainless steel 3 cup capacity pot on the planet :-)Aug 29, 2013 at 7:08 pm #2019986
I have 3 remaining.Aug 29, 2013 at 7:54 pm #2019996
Dan DurstonBPL Member
Awesome kit. Unlike most multi fuel setups, it's actually darn good at every fuel. It's a dream to use for alcohol and wood.Sep 3, 2013 at 6:54 pm #2021515
Roger MunseyBPL Member
@8100ltLocale: Cincinnati, Ohio
Just received my kit today and I am impressed!
Really like the removable handle that can be used
with a stick for fire pit use. It’s going with me on the
RogerSep 5, 2013 at 11:53 am #2022138
Roger, I'll try to get a video up showing how I use the Fire Fork handle to cook hot dogs. You need to slit the ends of the dogs so the pressure will exit the ends and not split the skin where the fork enters.
I'll also send you an email with a link to a photo album that shows how to stack and light twigs. There are videos also that show some "tricks" on successful wood burning.
Dan Durston, I sent your Titanium kit out today.
I have 2 kits remaining.Sep 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm #2022181
Have you conducted tests to determine the boiling time for 2 cups of 70*F water using your StarLyte Original and Modified stoves using S-L-X, HEET, Sunnyside 834
or Everclear 190?
Do you have that data available?Sep 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm #2022258
Ken, have not conducted those tests but will do them tomorrow. I have Sunnyside, HEET and Everclear. I'll strive to do 3 tests for each fuel. It will take most of the day and hope to have the results posted by the end of the day. I'll use the Fire Pot and the titanium cone windscreen.
I have only one kit left.Sep 5, 2013 at 6:46 pm #2022261
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
I don't like to cook with wood, but that sure is a nice looking system.Sep 6, 2013 at 11:55 pm #2022598
James DeGraafBPL Member
@jdegraafLocale: Bay Area
well, i held out for so long. then I placed an order. I hope that last kit is mine!
JamesSep 7, 2013 at 6:38 am #2022617
All kits have been sold. Thank you to all that have purchased.
It was a fun project. Trail Designs did a fine job as usual on the construction of the Ti cone. They are not in agreement to make a cone for the stainless steel pot as part of their offerings on their site.
James got the last one.
I won't be offering this kit again.
I have in the works a titanium windscreen that incorporates a principle of focusing the flame pattern under the pot in a whirlwind fashion. You may have seen the aluminum version on my blog/website. There is always a better way to accomplish 2 cups of boiling water LOL.
Sorry, I was not able to complete the boil tests. I'll continue them today.Sep 8, 2013 at 3:58 pm #2023047
Here are the results using 1/2 ounce Sunnyside Denatured Alcohol per test. Fuel measured out with 1 ounce graduated medicine cup.
2 cups of water in the Fire Pot. Starting temperature of water 70 degrees. Calm conditions in my garage.
All surfaces were allowed to cool before starting next test.
1 – Boil 9:30
Flame out 12:00 min.
2 – Boil 9:30
Flame out 11:42 min.
3 – Boil 9:30
Flame out 10:40 min.
StarLyte burner regular
1 Boil 7:47
Flame out 9:30 min.
2 Boil 7:30
Flame out 9:38 min.
Flame out 9:19 min.
The video shows how I was able to see when the flame went out. Click on the photo below to view video:Sep 9, 2013 at 12:31 am #2023230
Thanks for all the work you have put into this project. I believe you have engineered a winner!
Here is a sampling of my data that might add food for thought for what it is worth……
NOTE: Cookie Sheet 2x thickness for Base that the stoves and Sidewinder Caldera Cone rested upon that would influence data comparison.Sep 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm #2023491
Thank you Ken!
I like doing comparison testing when I can. I appreciate your input and time to do some testing and posting of your results. Your numbers are very much food for thought. Makes me want to ask…..why does the StarLyte give better results compared to the 12-10 that was engineered to function in an enclosed environment? Sometimes I think the original cone was better because it was made without the cut-out for pot/mug handles. I have not done any real research on the original but seems to stick in the back of my mind that was the case?????
I think if we did testing on the ground/earth results would be better due to radiant heat causing premature expenditure of fuel especially for the 12-10. The absorbing material inside the StarLytes hold back that expenditure. The glass that I used for a table top did get very warm during the testing and had to wipe it down with cold water to prepare for the next test.
The weather here in Illinois was too hot to do further testing today. My wife has banned me from doing tests in the house. Once in a while I sneak a few tests in when she's not home ;-)
One of the interesting things to come about with this kit design is the pot's ability to absorb heat with only half the pot being supported by the cone. This allows for a shorter cone and to be easily stored inside the pot. The ridgeline being at the 2 cup capacity mark works out really nice. In a previous video I bring attention to the fact that the upper portion of the pot is being subjected to heat coming off the holes in the cone and that there is no heat loss via the exposed portion of the pot. It's interesting that no one had made any comments of agreement or disagreement to that fact.
Ken, what brand name fuel did you use?
Note: total burn time of the 12-10 versus StarLyte was 1 minute less. It's burning much hotter for what it's worth to others that might be interested in statistics.Sep 10, 2013 at 6:28 am #2023639
To answer you alcohol question:
Here are some more test data that might prove interesting to you:Sep 10, 2013 at 1:30 pm #2023745
I bet you were a little apprehensive when the Whitebox started to "roar" Reminds me of a SuperCat in action. 1/2 ounce of fuel consumed in 4 min and 2 cups of water boiled LOL The SuperCat was my inspiration for making one piece stoves.
The StarLyte is proving itself a winner.
The outdoor temperatures here in the Midwest has prevented any further testing for me:( Thanks for your data Ken.Sep 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm #2023799
Dan DurstonBPL Member
Ken, were your 12-10 tests without the stakes like the Starlyte tests? Your post indicates this, but perhaps you actually used the 12-10 in the original manner in which it was intended (with the stakes)?
Regardless, I get similar results. With the original Starlyte I get similar boil times as the 12-10, slightly longer total burn and all the advantages that come with the Starlyte (no stakes, store fuel inside, spillproof, lights easy in winter).
Thanks for sending that kit Dan! It's gonna be great.Sep 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm #2023804
I was able to sneak in 3 tests this evening while my wife was out and about LOL. In the kitchen, calm conditions, 70 degree starting water temperatures and I used 1/2 ounce of Everclear 190 proof alcohol. 2 cups of water in the Stainless steel "Fire Pot" I used the Regular StarLyte Burner.
1. Boil 7:45 and Flame Out at 10:00 min.
2. Boil 7:35 and Flame out at 10:37 min.
3. Boil 7:40 and Flame out at 10:41 min.
Dan, let me know when it arrives and I'll send a link to some videos and photos on the how to's of vertical stacking and top lighting. The use of phone book paper is also included as my first choice of tinder. It actually is a multi-purpose item.Sep 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm #2023829
@rhz10Locale: SF Bay Area
Did you find that the Everclear produced more soot at the bottom of the pot compared to the other fuels?
ThanksSep 11, 2013 at 4:47 am #2023892
I didn't pay attention to the bottom of my pot while using Everclear but did notice that the Sunnyside denatured alcohol produced it's usual discoloration which I describe as a "varnish" type deposit. It is very thin and hard, not sooty. When I do 3 more tests(modified burner) with Everclear I will start off with a clean pot bottom and watch for the deposit if any to accumulate.
This is a photobucket video I made this morning to show you what the bottom of the pot looks like after doing 6 test with denatured and 3 with Everclear.
Click on the photo to activate the videoSep 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm #2024093
WOW! I love this kit, zelph! Too bad I missed it. I've been looking for a nice, compact kit that has a handle or pot grippers.Sep 11, 2013 at 6:47 pm #2024137
Hi Brittany, I can put together a kit minus the titanium windscreen for you. Let me know.Sep 12, 2013 at 8:40 am #2024280
How much would that cost? Any chance Caldera would make a cone for this pot? I also don't need the wood/esbit options.
Unfortunately I don't have a lot of MYOG capability right now, as I'm moving to a pretty small apartment.
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