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Winter Tent Recommendations Please

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PostedAug 19, 2013 at 7:33 pm

I'm having trouble picking out a new winter tent for my wife & I. I currently have an old Mountain Hardwear Light Wedge 3, which is a palace, & works reasonably well in bad weather since I added pullouts 2/3 of the way up, but it weighs over 7lbs & takes up too much pack space. The 4-season tents are too heavy, so I expect to get a strong 3-season tent. I have ended up in severe winter storms in the mountains, so a little extra weight for a strong tent is ok. I don't trust manufacturer's claimed size spec's, so it would need to be generously spec'd or have reports of real measurements.

Requirements in order of importance:
1. Fit 2 people. >40" of floor width, prefer >50". Ability to sit up. I am 6' tall. I don't mind bumping the ends as long as there is no risk of wetting my bag. My wife loves our big tent.
2. Wind resistance / security. I don't mind if it takes extra guy lines. The more tie-out points the better, especially in the middle of panels & up high.
3. Snow resistance. More convex is preferable to minimize collapse. No mesh close to the ground to prevent spindrift entry & reduce drafts.
4. Light weight. Prefer <4lb.

Not required: Freestanding, 2 doors.

I don't trust pole hubs. Am I just paranoid? They seem less durable & hard to deal with if something breaks. You could splint a broken pole, but how would you deal with a bad hub?

I really like the design of the Mtn HW Skyledge / Marmot Limelight / REI half dome (old version)/ BA Lone Spring: a standard dome with 2 full-length crossing poles, plus a spreader bar. This design is strong, simple, roomy, & wind resistant. Unfortunately, all offerings I've found like this are too heavy except the Skyledge. The Skyledge seems decent. The plastic connectors seem delicate, but the real killer is that the size specs are false. I set one up in the store & there was several inches of overlap between two 20" pads so it is too small. Does anyone make a light, 2-person tent like this? The 3P version is 5lb (& still has those plastic connectors).

Big Agnes makes several light tents, but none of them seem strong enough for winter. There are reports online about them being delicate (broken hubs, ripped floors). They are concave, although they do have decent pullouts which would help with this. The Slater looks tempting: good size, light, no mesh, extra pullouts. It just doesn't seem strong enough (hubs, minimal poles, & a concave shape). Has anyone used this or the similar Fly Creek in severe conditions?

I have a Tarptent Squall 2, which was great for mild conditions until the fabric lost it's waterproofing. None of the Tarptents look good to me for winter though.

Tunnel tents seem ok, but they don't seem to be distributed in the US.

Thanks.

PostedAug 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

You'll try many things, and people will steer you in many directions, so I'll start :)

I used to use tents (mostly Hilleberg/Bibler) until I discovered floorless shelters and a titanium wood stove.

Life is never better than a warm fire, tons of head room, floor dug out to make table and comfy lean-back snow chairs, clothesline to dry everything out, etc.

My current go-to is the Sawtooth by Kifaru (3.5 lbs with Hilleberg pole instead of Kifaru pole). It's huge! and has plenty of room for two plus a dog and all the gear inside.

To put it in perspective, this last Winter I had my Kifaru sitting at around 75 degrees inside, enjoying a scotch and fire while outside was 15 degrees and hailing/snowing like crazy!

Sawtooth

sawtooth2

The Black Diamond Megamid is a great option as well if you don't want to do a stove but still want room, weatherproofness and light weight.

Just my thoughts, but IMO it makes me look forward to Winter, and can't wait to get back out in the backcountry with the shoes and skis!

Cheers

PostedAug 20, 2013 at 10:41 am

Thanks for the info. That looks nice. If I ever plan to relax I'd like to try something like that or an igloo. We usually hike til dark, crash, break camp & repeat. 2 bivy sacks weigh more than a floor, so if we're not going to take the time to make it cozy it does not seem to be an advantage.

PostedAug 20, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Thanks Alex. That's close to what I am looking for. It's similar to my Light Wedge but with a stronger brow pole & closable mesh. It's almost as heavy though.

PostedAug 20, 2013 at 4:32 pm

Almost, but leaving pole bag, tent bag, and possibly switching to a tyvek footprint might drop you almost a pound. Let me know of youre interested. Make an offer if you want.

PostedAug 20, 2013 at 6:35 pm

See "Winter Hiking" and my SCARP 2 posts and photos of a "winterized" Scarp 2.

I'm a ski patroller and back country skier W/ Mountain Travel & Rescue certification. I've concluded that one of the best 2 person double wall tents for 4 season (but perhaps not mountaineering) is my modified Scarp 2.

The modding is not too involved and does not take much skill. But when you are finished the tent will be VERY stable in heavy snows and high winds when properly guyed out.

PostedAug 20, 2013 at 7:49 pm

Decent interior space, 51"x 87", with plenty of headroom for what is a small tent. It's also great in a breeze and takes care of snow like a champ. Some folks don't like the epic fabric, but I haven't had any issues, even in the rain.

PostedAug 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm

The modified Scarp looks pretty good, much better than stock. What's the total weight? I don't care for all the struts though. It works well if you carry the tent outside the pack, but I push through thick brush off trail so sometimes I prefer to keep the tent inside the pack. I just don't see using a tarptent in extreme conditions. It might not be totally logical. They seem more home-made, & the fit & finish is not on par with big brands. There are unfinished edges on my Squall which are fraying & the waterproofing did not last very long. The first one I received had a small hole like a cigarette burn in one of the panels (silnylon 2nd's?). It doesn't inspire confidence. Customer service was good on the swap though.

I've heard completely conflicting reports about condensation in the BD tents, but there are more negative than positive comments. My wife is touchy about this so I'm reluctant to go single wall.

I went to REI & setup a few tents for comparison (BA Copper Spur, MSR Hubba Hubba, REI Quarter Dome). They all had a lot of frame flex when I pushed on them sideways to simulate wind – not enough triangles. The BA was the flexiest by far. The other two seemed like they might be ok if they had more pullouts & maybe some internal guy lines. The MSR was much better than I expected. I'm starting to think I'll need to find something close enough & modify it myself. Maybe if I just added a bunch of pullouts to a UL tent it would be good enough. People use tarps without any poles, so a flexy pole setup shouldn't be a deal breaker. Unfortunately, a lot of light weight tents have mesh low to the ground &/or very little overlap between the fly & mesh, which is not good for blowing snow.

On a positive note, for mild conditions, it looks like there are a lot of nice tents on the market now.

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