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First trip with true-UL

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PostedJun 8, 2007 at 6:53 pm

So last weekend I got out with my all-new UL gear list.
The trip: a shakedown hike in Tahoe National Forest between 5,000 and 7,500 feet, snow drifts remaining, cool clowdy condition.
The gear:
SMD Comet- fantastic. I left the frame stays out, and with a torso-length foam pad folded as a frame, this may have been the most comfortable pack I've ever used (though the overall weight probably helped).

Golite ponchotarp- Used as a shelter, the pitch stayed taught in a-frame mode with trip-tease line, but the ridge-line tieout stitching looked a little sketchy, maybe it's just me. Otherwise, worked fine, but the small coverage made me nervous as I watched thunder clouds forming to the east.

Tigoat dwr bivy- The mosquito net worked well tied off at the trekking pole at my head under the poncho, the fabric hood didn't work as well with the tieout in the middle of the hood. Other bivies use the tie out at the opening zipper, which would have provided better ventilation.
Not the bivy's fault: slippery silnylon plus slippery air mat meant some silnylon ended up on top of me and some DWR below me.

Jacks'r'better No Sniveller- Very warm, comfortable, great in poncho mode. Very comfortable with the bivy, but the warmth was compromised by my pad (see next)

Insul mat max thermo short- The real weak link of my kit. While it was very cushy and comfortable, it was cold despite the insulation, and shifted around alot under me. I had the blue foam framing my pack under my legs, and ended up switching the foam to under my torso early in the morning to stay warm enough.
I will be re-exploring my pad system for my next trip, but closed cell foam will likely be my future. My next attempt will probably involve layering blue foam with 1/8 Gossamer Gear thinlite padding.

REI Gossamer hooded jacket- Perfect warmth for the cool conditions, especially combined with my quilt.

OR Ion windshirt- Very nice, comfortable even in temps I would probably have been comfortable wearing just a shirt, very breathable. No rain to test the DWR, but a stupid mistake with my filter and platy made for a decent test.

Salomon XA Pro3d trail runners- Very comfy, quick drying through snow and runnoff streams combined with smartwool socks. Slightly more foot stress than with hard shanked boots.

REI Peak UL trekking poles- My second real use of trekking poles, I am finally sold, and really liked the REI carbon collapsables. I think I will still pack the poles from time to time to maintain the balancing muscles in my legs.

So what did I learn? UL is great. Insulmat max thermo is not particularly insul or thermo.
I will probably not use a poncho tarp as a primary shelter often until I feel more comfortable with the rest of my sleep set up.

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Cool glad you had a good time! What about one of those thin pads over the insulmat?

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PostedJun 8, 2007 at 10:14 pm

Greyson:

Great report! Thanks.

I really like my REI Lite Core pad (I use the short version). To me, it's a good balance between weight and comfort. If the air pad alone isn't warm enough for you, I think the REI self inflator will be lighter, more compact, and less hassle than using both air pad and foam.

PostedJun 9, 2007 at 2:36 am

Just a few days ago I tried putting my 1/8" GG Thinlight pad on top of my Big Agnes Insulated Air Core (Long). It was an experiment to see how comfortable it would be if conditions got too cold for the Air Core.

I was expecting it to be less comfortable and bunch up. I was surprised that it was MORE comfortable! The most surprising thing was how well the Thinlight stayed on the matress. It was so grippy that I could switch from my back to my side and the Thinlight didn't budge an inch. I was expecting to pair the two with velcro or something, but not so.

The thinlight helped to reduce the feeling that I was sleeping on tubes, and when on my stomach, it was more comfortable to have the side of my face on the Thinlight material than on the cold plastic matress maerial. I may go with this setup even on warmer trips.

PostedJun 9, 2007 at 6:07 am

Maybe try the Montbell 120cm + 30cm sit pad + inflatable pillow, its the lightest production 180cm pillow/mat combo in the world as far as I can determine, and it all toggles together so it does not shift. Surface is relatively high friction. My Montbell bag does not slip on it.
About 550g for the set if I remember correctly.
http://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/list.php?category=229000

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