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PostedJun 8, 2007 at 12:51 am

Yesterday I had the opportunity to head into Tokyo (my home computer hard drive died…) and spend some time over at O.D Box, the outdoor store which promotes UL in Japan more than any other. While I was contemplating the alcohol stoves I came across the stoves by Yukio Yamakawa. Man, these things are amazingly light and well made. They are also a lot stronger than they appear. The sidewalls didn’T budge when I pressed them with my fingers.

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As I was looking at the stoves the sales manager of the store, Tomoyoshi Tsuchiya, came over and we started talking about UL gear, methods, philosophy, buying UL gear in Japan, and homemade UL gear and materials. It was a great conversation, lasting nearly thirty minutes. Mr. Tsuchiya explained how difficult it is to get UL goods in Japan due to the high price of shipping and to many of the distributors not yet showing much interest in UL gear. He was saying how in Japan people often go backpacking because of the weights involved in traditional backpacking, but most people still have no idea about the possibilities of UL. He wanted to see more collaboration between cottage industries abroad and retail stores in Japan in part to show Japanese buyers what is available and what a difference going light would make to their experiences outdoors. He also siad that there was a much bigger Japanese audience here at BPL than it seems, but that most of the Japanese readers just don’t feel confident enough to post in English. But the interest is definitely there.

While we spoke I noticed a prototype woodgas stove that Yukio Yamakawa was working on and that might come on the market some time soon. I asked Mr. Tsuchiya if it was okay to take a photo and post it on BPL, promising not to make commercial use of the design for myself:

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The stove is really light and beautifully made. It has a metal tube at the bottom with tiny holes punched in it that I assume helps to take air in from the outside.

One exciting bit of news from Mr. Tsuchiya was a new tent produced by O.D. Box itself, similar to the BD Firstlight, but a little smaller, made out of a fully waterproof material that weighs only 750 grams! He told me he would tell me about it when it was ready in two weeks or so. If it is what I think it is maybe I will have found my new tent!

While in the store I bought some clothes from the innovative new clothing company FineTrack. The most interesting piece of gear I bought was their Breeze Wrap Jacket, which the store clerk, who uses one himself all year, said was “very hard to define”. He said it was like a windshirt, but also like a stretch softshell, but much lighter (at 210 grams), very breathable and water resistant. The best he could describe it was like “a second skin”. The material is nylon with a thin laminate that made the garment feel like stiff gauze. The material itself holds whatever extra moisture collects on the outside and lets it evaporate that way, instead collecting on the inside of a full-on rain jacket. So, though the jacket is made to be worn in most situations, like a regular windjacket, it breathes better and yet can also be worn under a rain jacket and stop the persperation from getting back in. Very hard to describe. I’m really looking forward to trying it out.

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I also bought the FineTrack mesh undershirt that I hope might work nicely with my pertex/ pile system in winter. Water beads off the material like water off a duck.

In addition I bought three of the new folding water bottles (Liquitainers) by Source I’m hoping they might solve some of the problems that my Platypus bottles have with leaking at creases.

I also saw a very light folding hiking pole using aluminum poles. SInce I have to use the trains a lot here and one-piece hiking poles are a real bother to other passengers on the train, this folding option might be just what I am looking for.

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 2:29 am

Those stoves look like little works of art !

I'd love to hear about the tent if ever you find out more.

A japanese version of BPL would be great but I'd want an english version of that so I could see what's going on !

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 7:49 am

Cool, Miguel. Next time you must bring a scale and weigh those amazing looking stoves and any other promising artifacts. The Fne Track shirt definitely merits further investigation. Please give us a user report in the future.

KD

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedJun 8, 2007 at 11:27 am

Very nice! Thanks for sharing, Miguel. Sorry that your HD died. Hope your system is now up and running again.

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 11:55 am

I'd be interested to know how your liquitainers perform. I bought some from MEC last year and the caps leaked all over the inside of my pack.

Have they fixed the design?

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 3:37 pm

Hello Miguel-san,

Those stove are made by T's stove. Not Mr. Yamakawa/JSB.

Please refer below for further information of the stoves and twig stove made by T's stove.

(alcohol stove)
http://alcanstove.exblog.jp/pg/blog.asp?eid=f0113727&iid=14&acv=&dif=&opt=2&srl=5219001&dte=2007%2D04%2D24+05%3A55%3A00%2E000

(twig stove)
http://alcanstove.exblog.jp/i15

You can believe the weight of the stoves. I have a Yoroi chibi(Armored shorty) and the weight is 24grms(0.85oz) as his site mentioned.

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedJun 8, 2007 at 4:17 pm

Miguel

Did you go to the Okachimachi store or the Shibuya one?

It looks like I'm going to be back in Japan in August so will do a bit of walking and a bit of browsing in my old haunts.

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedJun 8, 2007 at 4:51 pm

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Re breathable-but-not-waterproof mountain tents, did you ever see the Nippin ones with the Scandium poles? They had them in their store in Jimbocho.

Also, Mizuno had a range of windshirts with what was supposed to be a superior DWRC called Lotus (the reason being that water completely beads up on lotus plants instead of soaking in – their surface structure has been copied for window glass (as used in my current employers new offices) so rain and dirt just slide off, therefore less cleaning is needed)

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 4:59 pm

Miguel
You are a wealth hazard.

Mustak
Thank you very much for the Twig stove link, lots of inspirational pictures there.
Franco

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Ian, I’ll definitely let everyne know about the tent when it comes out. Mr. Tsuchiya from OD Box also seemed excited about BPL members learning more about what is available in Japan.

Kevin, I hope to be using the Fine Track windshirt tomorrow. I’ll keep you up to date on what I find. And by the way, thanks for the information about Ladakh. Still looking into it and so far very promising. Still not sure if that is where I’l go, but I’ve got to make up my mind by Monday, so…

Hello Ryu, thank you for correcting the name of the designer. I was unsure when I wrote about the stoves. Sorry about the mistake. 正しい名前を教えてくれてありがとう。OD Boxにいた時もちょっと気になってたけどマネージャーの土屋さんに正しい名前を聞くのが恥ずかしかった。T’s Stoveですね。

The Twig Stove stove looks gorgeous! That is exactly what I would like to have. I hope they come out soon, because I would like to buy one as soon as possible!

Ben, I got word from Apple that the hard drive is ready to pick up today. That means a three hour train ride into Tokyo and giving up my camping weekend. Anything for staying connected right?

Brian, I hope the Liquitainers perform well! One thing I’ve done with my Platypuses is replace the standard caps with caps from small Nalgene bottles. They screw on better and deeper, and never come off like the original caps do. I discovered this on my five-day North Alps walk last year when the cap of my Platypus on the outside pocket of my pack must have brushed against some vegetation and popped off. Since there was no water for another day ahead of me I really needed the bottle to retain my water. I rummaged throuh my pack, found the Nalgene bottle I used for keeping vitamins, and was delighted when the cap fit perfectly.

Damien, it was the Okachimachi store. They seem to be more on top of the newest designs and ideas, with the Shibuya store following suit. The shop clerks also seem much more knowledeable about UL. I’ve seen the tents designed by Reinholdt Messner at Nippin and am still considering buying one. A friend of mine used one in a heavy alpine rainstorm two years ago and I was very impressed. My very first tent, back in 1977 was a single skin, non-breathable, pole-inside Nippen dome tent. Looks like I’m going back in time! I’d not heard of the MIzuno Lotus garments, though I was looking at their range of Dry Vector underwear the other day.

Franco, just performing my duty as am unencumbered lightweight citizen who likes to see other people get heavy with more gear so that I can boast a lighter pack!

Here’s the link to the Nippin tents that Damien referred to. Look at the menu box on the left, find the fourth arrow from the top on the far left. That is the category for “tents”. Click. Scroll down a little to see the tents. I love the method of attaching the roof to the Scandium poles.

PostedJun 8, 2007 at 7:41 pm

Maybe we can do a little overseas exchange, Miguel, when the Twig stove comes out. Or, for that matter, one of the alcohol stoves. The mystery tent sounds interesting although I suspect it will be a little undersized for we Gaijin over 6'. The Firstlight barely fits me. Keep us posted. I've seen some of the Nippin tents overseas—-not bad was my distracted impression at the time. How about some more details about the Messner designed Nippin Tents?

Hope you decide to do Ladakh!

PostedJun 9, 2007 at 6:18 am

Miguel,
I wish I had known you were going to ODBox, I am meeting Tsuchiyasan on Tuesday to discuss UL gear, and you could have mentioned we know each other from BPL; or Tuesday I will do the opposite (mention you) if you don't mind?
Great to hear there is enthusiasm for UL here!
And Im going to steal that phrase, you are a wealth hazard; Im going to have to buy one of those fine track shirts for sawanobori..!
That tent does sound VERY interesting..

PostedJun 9, 2007 at 6:07 pm

Hi Brett, sorry. I didn't know I was going there myself until I got done with the computer at the Apple Store in Ginza. Had enough time left over to head over to Okachimachi. Please do mention me to him. Actually I have some ideas that I'd like to discuss with you and him some time, but privately. It was a little difficult talking with Mr. Tsuchiya because the telephone kept ringing and customers kept appearing while we talked.

Yes, the tent does sound intriguing, doesn't it? I'm going to be heading to either the European Alps or Ladakh this August, so that tent might be what I've been looking for all this time.

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