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Adam Berg BPL Member
PostedJul 16, 2013 at 11:49 am

Sawyer's website says they're going to start selling a new, smaller, lighter version of the PointONE Squeeze filter.

All the information provided so far at http://www.sawyer.com/water.html#water1 is:

Sawyer mini

Sawyer MINI™ Filter – COMING THIS FALL
[SP128] – Dealers pre-order now

Introducing the new Sawyer Mini Water Filter. It's LIGHT/COMPACT; 2oz and fits in the palm of your hand. VERSATILE; drink directly, attach to Sawyer Squeeze Pouches, use inline, or attach to bottled water, and EFFECTIVE; same exclusive 0.1 micron hollow fiber membrane filter used in other Sawyer filters.

Anyone seen or tested one yet? I was thinking of buying a Sawyer Squeeze but now might hold off to see if the smaller one is better for my needs. Apologies if I somehow missed a review or thread someone has already posted on this filter.

In particular, I'm interested in what the smaller size does to volume of flow, frequency of backflushing needed, and ability to use some of the hacks people have described, such as screwing in a makeshift pre-filter or using Smartwater bottle caps as a near-weightless substitute for the syringe.

Also want to know whether this new version will attach to all the same things the current model attaches to (e.g., Sawyer's home faucet adapter, bucket adapter, or whether it makes just as good a gravity filter or inline filter as the full-size model). I called Sawyer and customer service said they didn't know yet — product too new. But they also said it would start shipping next month.

Customer service did tell me that the nipple on the dirty side is to allow the filter to be used with dirty water containers that don't have the proper threading. You can see a picture of it being used in this fashion if you click on the picture of the filter on the page linked above. So, you would attach an included tube to the dirty end and use it like a straw, sucking on the clean end to draw water through the filter.

PostedJul 16, 2013 at 12:37 pm

The Sawyuer squeeze weighs 3 onces with the bags. If you assume 1 oz for the bags the new filter is about the same weight as the old one. Also note the weight listed is probably the dry weight. Once it is wet it will weigh about 1oz more. All 0.1 Sawyer filters fit in the palm of your hand. Without any more information it is about the same size and weight of the old filters.

"In particular, I'm interested in what the smaller size does to volume of flow, frequency of backflushing needed". My in line filter has a flow of 1quart per minute with a 3 foot hydrostatic head. If the flow is less than that it would probably note work well as an in line filter or straw. Backflushing frequency is dependent on the quality of the water you filter. Most people typically only backflush when they get home.

Overall it looks like the same filter but with hose fittings built in instead of thread connections. That would elliminate the need for adaptors if you just want an in line or gravity filter.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm

Squeeze weighs 3 ounces if you remove all caps and things and shake out the water

From the pictures on their website, it looks like the new filter will screw into Sawyer bags, Evernew bags, water bottles, etc. just like the Squeeze.

The Squeeze has a barb on outlet, new one has barbs on both sides.

Maybe the new one just has a smaller housing? Or smaller hollow tubes also?

Tony Wong BPL Member
PostedJul 16, 2013 at 2:26 pm

Ken,

I agree with you.

I have been using the older filter that you have pictured since 2008-2009 with no problems.

This new design looks great in that is combines the best of the new and old.

Allows you to directly to screw onto a dirty bag and out put to an inline setup.

Great for gravity filters in camp.

Saves someone the trouble of buying the $5-$8 threaded adaptors to modify the current Squeeze Filter, which adds parts and weight.

I have been itching to replace my current Sawyer filter, which is running like a champ, but I have been using an older/discontinued threaded cap/adaptor from Playtpus to allow mine to screw onto a dirty bag.

The only issue that I can see is that if someone is hard on their gear, the output nipple can be broken/snapped off while connecting or disconnecting a hose/drinking tube. (I have two friends who have snapped this part off of both their filters. No problem with mine, but I am gentle with my gear).

Looks exactly what I am looking for…..will hold off on buying til this one comes out and there are a few reviews.

Mine is still going strong after all these years….in fact, I am heading out Friday on a 8-10 day, 130 backpacking trip on a section of the PCT with my trusty Sawyer filter. (I have two playtpus bags setup as a squeeze bag….one clean and pushing through the filter to a clean bag).

Thanks to the OP for letting us know about this upcoming product.

Tony

PostedJul 16, 2013 at 3:57 pm

It's interesting that they spec this much smaller filter at 2 oz while they spec the much larger one at around 2.6.

So back to EMS to buy one, take it home and weigh it moist, and take it back or not, depending on what the real weight turns out to be.

Imagine what it would be like without all that. And it can happen. Bought a tent from Australia last winter and it was actually a wee bit smaller and lighter than spec'd. Imagine.

Sean Passanisi BPL Member
PostedJul 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm

I lost my Sawyer squeeze last week and need to replace it. So will this one function like a squeeze?

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm

"So will this one function like a squeeze?"

On their web site there is a picture showing it used like a Squeeze, screwed onto bag, squeeze water through it

Adam Berg BPL Member
PostedJul 18, 2013 at 1:43 pm

I e-mailed a long list of questions to Sawyer and they wrote me back within a day:

1) What is the weight difference between the Mini and the Squeeze for just the filter itself (not including bags, accessories, etc.)? Is there any difference in the "wet" weight between the two models, as opposed to the weight out of the box and dry?

Answer: We do not have an exact weight for the mini yet. Yes there will be a difference in wet weights between the 2.

2) Is there a difference in what's inside the filter, or is it just a difference of housing/nipple? For example, I know it's the same hollow fiber membrane mechanism, but is it the same amount of fiber membrane?

Answer: Same great HFM material.

3) Is the flow rate any different from the Squeeze?

Answer: Yes very slightly different.

4) Assuming identical water quality and volume run through a Mini and a Squeeze, would the backflushing frequency needs be any different?

Answer: Yes more often with the mini

5) Does the nipple impede or change any of the connections that the Squeeze is able to make? Same threads, same bags to use with it, same ability to unscrew ends of the filter, same ability to attach to Platys or Evernew bladders or soda bottles? What about your faucet adapter for use at home, and your bucket adapter — will Mini work with them just as the Squeeze does? Is there complete backward compatibility with all your accessories and attachments for the Squeeze?

Answer: The input end will be the same, the exit will be different.

6) Will you be selling an All-In-One kit that has the Mini instead of the Squeeze, so that I can use the Mini with a bucket or faucet without having to buy an entirely separate kit that includes a Squeeze if I already have a Mini and don't want a second filter?

Answer: No plans for using it as a bucket kit at the present time.

7) What is the weight of the included tube/straw to allow the dirty side nipple to get water from bottles whose threads don't match up?

Answer: Not available yet.

8) Will this function as just as good a gravity or inline filter as the Squeeze? Work any differently in that regard? Does having nipples on both sides obviate the need for certain accessories for using as inline or gravity, probably?

Answer: Depends on your definition of “as good”.

9) Some people have made their own modifications or found lighter alternatives to the accessories. Two in particular interested me. Can you tell me whether the Mini would still work with both of these "hacks?" I wouldn't ask you to endorse them or say that you guarantee the filter would work properly or not be damaged if people do these things — just asking if the Mini is physically different from the Squeeze in a way that would make these hacks not work for the Mini:

– Adding a pre-filter made out of dishwasher-safe coffee filter material per directions at http://adropofrain.net/2012/08/simple-modifications-for-sawyer-squeeze-filter-prefilter-hose-adapter-evernew-water-bladder/ (This would require someone unscrewing the dirty side end of the Mini, as one can do with the Squeeze — can the Mini do that?)

Answer: Neither filter requires a prefilter.

– Very light way to backflush in the field without syringe, using caps from Smartwater bottles, described at http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=78861

Answer: This will not give your enough pressure to really clean the filter.

10) When do you expect consumers to be able to place orders for the Mini, and who from?

Answer: Dealers are already placing pre-orders with ship date in September.

11) How will the Mini be priced?

Answer: Around $20

12) It is my understanding that the Squeeze can be damaged if allowed to freeze. Is that true of the Mini also, and to the same extent? For either or both filters, is there a way to completely remove the water after use, so that it can be left outside the tent with other gear on a freezing cold night, instead of having to bring it into the tent or sleeping bag to keep it from freezing?

Answer: As with all filters, freezing will damage them.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm

Interesting

"2) Is there a difference in what's inside the filter, or is it just a difference of housing/nipple? For example, I know it's the same hollow fiber membrane mechanism, but is it the same amount of fiber membrane?

Answer: Same great HFM material.

3) Is the flow rate any different from the Squeeze?

Answer: Yes very slightly different.

4) Assuming identical water quality and volume run through a Mini and a Squeeze, would the backflushing frequency needs be any different?

Answer: Yes more often with the mini"

If "Same great HFM material" means the same amount, then it seems like the flow rate and backflushing would be the same.

I guess we'll just have to wait for September

$20? That's not bad.

Tony Wong BPL Member
PostedJul 18, 2013 at 3:48 pm

$20 or there abouts is a fantastic price considering that short of breaking it or freezing it and damaging the Hollow Fiber Material, you have a filter that will last a lifetime. (1 million gallons, if like the Squeeze Filter).

Regarding the issue of rate of flow and need to more frequently backflush the mini, guess it depends if they are using the same amount of HFM as the Squeeze Filter, which is possible if they are just decreasing the mass of the casing that the Squeeze filter to make it smaller.

A quick comparison of hte diameter of the mini vs. the Squeeze filter should give us an idea of what they are doing.

Production wise, it would make more sense to use the same internals and just change the casing.

Either way, excited about the mini as a replacement for my 1st generation Sawyer inline filter.

-Tony

Ammon Bruce BPL Member
PostedSep 20, 2013 at 6:39 am

The new Mini sawyers are in and 20% off at Gossamer Gear. $20. So cheap!!

PostedSep 20, 2013 at 6:55 am

I believe it's 100,000 gallons… Which equates to 103 years of use if one filters 10 liters every single day

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 20, 2013 at 6:56 am

I wonder if they took the exact filter out of the squeeze

and just put end caps on it to make the mini

rather than putting a case all the way around the filter

PostedSep 20, 2013 at 7:42 am

Hey everyone,

I just watched this video review by Chad Poindexter over at Stick's Blog. If you're interested to see a video review of it this may be one of the few, since it hasn't even hit the shelves yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=368DpkqhjFM

Looks like the filter itself ways a little less than half that of the original squeeze (both wet weights).

USA Duane Hall BPL Member
PostedSep 20, 2013 at 8:18 am

Per the Deals area, the filter has to be cleaned twice as often, I'm guessing due to its smaller size. Ya think?
Duane

Ron Bell / MLD BPL Member
PostedSep 20, 2013 at 9:01 am

We are way past half our stock gone…expecting it to be all gone by next Monday…I almost forgot to pull a few out of the box for myself!

Jason G BPL Member
PostedSep 20, 2013 at 10:21 am

anyone know when retail stores will have them? (rei,walmart,big5?)

Steve Davis BPL Member
PostedOct 15, 2013 at 11:32 pm

i currently have the steripen adventurer. should i switch the to the sawyer mini now? or does it not kill as many things?

  BPL Member
PostedOct 16, 2013 at 12:27 am

retiredjerry: I wonder if they took the exact filter out of the squeeze and just put end caps on it to make the mini rather than putting a case all the way around the filter

They are using the same dialysis membrane fibres that the Squeeze uses, only cutting them shorter and using less of them – the latter of which accounts for the slower filtration rate – and squeezing them into a smaller (aka: mini) container.

Interestingly, the Sawyer Point ZeroTWO is still far from the best out there. A few companies make dialysis membrane fibres that are 0.005 micron filter pore size and smaller, that make them capable of dealing with all forms of bacteria, viral agents and even the nasty biological little toxins.

StevenDavisPhoto: i currently have the steripen adventurer. should i switch the to the sawyer mini now? or does it not kill as many things?

No. And No*.

If you just *must* spend money for no reason, a better choice would be to go with something such as the new SteriPen Ultra, or my personal favorite, the SteriPen Freedom. These would move you away from dependence upon those darn A123 batteries that almost nobody sells anymore and cost a fortune. But, that is only if you feel some desire to spend money to replace something that is (apparently) still working for you.

*It should be noted that a SteriPen does not “kill” anything – it sterilizes. All the little bad guys in the water are still going to be in the water, and thus make it into your body. However, they will be neutered and unable to make little bad guys.

A UVGI (Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation) device scrambles the DNA of the bad guys, making them harmless to humans. Bacteria, Cryptosporidium, Giardia, and even viruses are still technically in the water, they are just in a state of no longer being able to reproduce.

The advantages that the SteriPen still has over the Sawyer absolute-micron filters is that it is capable of dealing with the much smaller micron sized bad guys that cannot be captured by an absolute-one-micron filter.

Hope this helps.

+John Abela

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedOct 16, 2013 at 8:24 am

Thanks John, interestsing, so mini must require more frequent backflushing and maybe more pressure? It will be interesting to get reports from people in actual use.

I don't think the Sawyer/Steripen question is so clear cut

I had a Steripen Opti and had problems, only treated a little water before having to replace batteries. Others have reported similar, although many people have good experience. Sometimes, mine worked good and the amount of water per set of batteries was close to their claim. I returned mine and got a Sawyer.

Sawyer and Steripen weigh about the same, take about the same amount of time to treat, and I think the effort required is different but about equally annoying (which is minor).

Steripen is a complicated electronic device and subject to failure.

Sawyer is subject to it's own failures – freezing or bag bursting.

In the U.S., viruses aren't a problem so both are effective treatment. Worldwide, the Steripen is probably better.

It's "apples to oranges" – different one is best for different people.

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