Jul 10, 2013 at 12:00 am #1305206
My guess would be the Stratospire 1 and 2.
(I don't own the Stratospire)
ThanksJul 10, 2013 at 12:20 am #2004373
MLD Trailstar (can get inners for it so I guess it can be classified as a tent?)Jul 10, 2013 at 1:26 am #2004374
@jephotoLocale: New Zealand
Trailstar, as long as we aren't talking snow storms.Jul 10, 2013 at 3:14 am #2004378
Yes, of course!
Stratospire 2. place, or?Jul 10, 2013 at 5:20 am #2004385
Is storm worthy the ability to repel water, wind or snow, or is it based on construction and materials used ? There are dependencies based on each design. For instance a tent with a long ridge line more like a pup tent, will not repel water as well as a tent with steeper profile like a tipi or mid, but this can be overcome with a fabric with a higher water proof rating. Fabric, materials, and tie out construction all play a part depending on conditions. I think you would be hard pressed to find a better, more storm worthy constructed tie out than what Seek Outside does on our Tipi tents. We have never had a tie out failure, and due to the way they are constructed you can even reset a tie out from inside the tent if needed (in the case a stake looses integrity which can happen in high winds). As far as shape, I think you will be hard pressed to find a more wind worthy single pole shape than a tipi, followed by a mid. High hydrostatic rating and shape help with repelling water, while a tight pitch and numerous guy outs help with wind. Steeper side walls help the most with snow loads, but it is a trade off, with wind.Jul 10, 2013 at 6:03 am #2004392
Thank you for your input.
Let's make it simple and stick to windstorms, and let's leave tieout construction quality out – how would you rate your Tipi's to the Stratospire and the Trailstar in a windstorm?Jul 10, 2013 at 6:14 am #2004395
Tipi Rating would be extremely good, granted these are larger tents. I have had a 12 man( which is nearly 10 ft tall ) and had trees fall within 50 yards during a wind storm. We had a customer report that a large pine tree fell 5 feet from a 12 man during a fall wind event, thankfully they were fine. We even had one customer report surviving a storm in Alaska in which winds were reported at 100 MPH. I am not sure about the 100 MPH but there were reports of the storm and many people being without tents on an Alaskan forum and a nearby weather station reported 114 MPH winds. Recently, we had a customer who said they set up a smaller tipi (4 man) in the midwest and there were tornado warnings at the lake they were at. Apparently everyone slept in their cars that night, but the only tent left standing in the morning was the tipi. Properly staked, they handle wind well.Jul 10, 2013 at 6:21 am #2004397
What's the weight on your lightest Tipi?Jul 10, 2013 at 6:50 am #2004400
A 6 man in the basic version can be less than 5 lbs all inclusive.
A 4 man basic is closer to 4 lbs
The Backcountry shelter which is a mid tipi hybrid is 3 – 3.5 lbs
The Lil Bug shelter which is modular tipi / mid hybrid is about 24 ounces for a fully enclosed shelter and can go up to near 3 lbs for it's largest configuration. It is 16 ounces as a 3 side shelter . There is a spin video on our site that shows all the configurationsJul 10, 2013 at 6:58 am #2004402
I should note, that I only recommend using a trekking pole in the Lil Bug Out. At the taller heights of the BCS and 4 Man you could link two high quality trekking poles and get decent performance but for real wind, I would use our telescoping carbon poles in the taller tents. You can use the carbon pole of the 4 man or BCS as a hiking staff if need be with an adapter.
KevinJul 10, 2013 at 7:01 am #2004404
Well, since it's the Tipis you rate highest in a storm and weight is a consideration, they are too heavy for my use. But thank you for your input.Jul 10, 2013 at 7:13 am #2004408
You are welcome, the BCS and LBO do well in wind, but have some flatter sides which does matter a bit. They feature the same materials and construction.Jul 10, 2013 at 7:37 am #2004411
@cadyakLocale: southwest georgia
Golite SL2 and SL1 are extremely hearty in all conditionsJul 10, 2013 at 8:14 am #2004420
I think storm worthiness boils down to a combination of materials and shape. Different shapes are better for different conditions. For instance, a very low dome shape would be the best for high winds, but that shape would be terrible for handling snow loads. A vertical wall is preferable for heavy rain and snow, but fails at high winds. I agree with Kevin that for the most part a tipi is a very storm worthy shape.
Materials wise it is a tradeoff between bombproofness and weight, just like anything else. If you want storm worthy, then you must be ready to accept a weight penalty. What denier fabric and what hydrostatic head do golite and tarptent use in their shelters? I dug around on the tarptent site a bit but couldn't find anything.Jul 10, 2013 at 8:32 am #2004424
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
If you restrict storm worthiness to high winds, I doubt you'll find anything better than a Trailstar. Mids do pretty well, but the larger surface of each panel lends itself to more deflection. For example, my Megamid probably approaches the Trailstar in wind worthiness, but the Trailstar is a lot (LOT) quieter.
Generally, a one pole shelter will tend to have better angles for wind shedding. Two poles shelter like the Shangrila 2 and Stratospires can do ok, but seem to have at least two angles where wind shedding is quite compromised.Jul 10, 2013 at 10:10 am #2004449
@ckrusorLocale: Northwest US
I think David's point about one vs. two pole shelters makes sense. I have used both kinds and I've thought about this tradeoff. In high winds, when you'd want the edges of your shelter pitched low, a single-pole shelter will need a lot of material and a large footprint to provide very much internal space. When pitched low, you'll have much more sit-up-able space in a two-pole shelter of the same weight. But the two pole shelter has large flat panels on two sides, so it only sheds wind really well end-on.
I have to agree with some of the others; I think a small, low tipi (eg, the Trailstar) is the best bet when high winds are expected.Jul 10, 2013 at 10:53 am #2004459
W I S N E R !Participant
I've been very impressed with the MLD Solomid.
The two poles in A-frame style provide a ton of support against wind on the larger panels. It's also pretty steep and pitches very taught- sheds rain/snow well.
We got hammered pretty good the night this photo was taken, gusts in the 40mph range and snow. The wind was blowing uphill, the large downhill panel of my shelter taking the brunt of it all.
That it was what Skurka carried in Alaska weighed heavily in my purchase…Jul 10, 2013 at 11:27 am #2004474
@rossLocale: Beautiful BC
The Tigoat Vertex 5 is also worthy of consideration. Conical shape makes it very wind resistant and it only weighs 24 oz including pegs. Sleeps two comfortably and cavernous for one.Jul 10, 2013 at 11:43 am #2004480
I've had my MSR twin peaks in some fierce winds and it was great. With adjustable poles – especially if they have flicklock type adjusters – you can jack up from the inside and really get it tight (as long as your stake placements are stout). I also have a Megamid and the Twin Peaks is FAR superior in the wind in my experience.Jul 10, 2013 at 12:18 pm #2004495
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
If it were me I'd go for the TT Notch for a solo tent supported with hiking poles.
I have the Moment and (always far better rigged than the one in the photo) it is great in the wind.
The Notch is a Moment with hiking pople support.Jul 10, 2013 at 3:40 pm #2004555
A very important aspect,not often discussed, about trekking pole supported tents is one's ability to set them up…
For example ,as Eric has pointed out, that Moment behind the Solomid, could be set up better.
This is how the Pitch Lock corner in that one should look like :
I am very impressed by the way Ross did his Vertex
(the Pitch Lock corner is that pyramid shaped end…)Jul 10, 2013 at 3:46 pm #2004556
W I S N E R !Participant
When I took the photo the Moment behind my Solomid was in the process of being set up and the Solomid wasn't guyed out yet….Jul 10, 2013 at 4:49 pm #2004578
Yes you can see that the X pole is still not attached to the fly and the owner appears to be finishing the other end.
I should have made that point a bit clearer..
The point was that I have seen shelters of that type incorrectly set up and looking pretty much like the Moment above .
Then I also see the owners complaining that theirs does not work.Jul 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm #2004583
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
More sides generally means closer to conical, and thus less stuff for wind to grab on to. The tradeoff is setup time. A (essentially) six-sided Trailstar is more fiddly to setup than a conventional mid, the explanation videos for the Kifaru tipis are comically complex in their explication of the setbacks requires for various staking points. Most of us don't need top shelf wind shedding all the time, and thus a square or rectangular mid night be the best choice.Jul 10, 2013 at 5:26 pm #2004590
thanks guys, lots of insight.
I'm going to start another parallel thread, with a more focused subject, as i believe this could be a help to me and others. It will center on only lightweight, 2 walls, 2 person worthy, windstorm worthy trekking pole shelters.
But this thread is a good place to continue discussing the finer details.
I'll ad to the discussion here myself:
Anybody have had good experience with a 2 person inner for the trailstar? I'm specifically thinking about the situation where fierce, driving rain changes direction directly toward the opening. I can see this not being a problem when using it as a solo shelter with a bivi bag. Do you just drop the opening?
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