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Katabatic Gear quilt attachment system – some thoughts and concerns *with pics*

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PostedJun 16, 2013 at 9:20 am

Well, I got my Katabatic Alsek quilt in the mail a couple days ago. Surprisingly fast delivery. Overall I'm quite impressed with the quilt. The loft of the quilt is amazing for its weight. On my scales, the quilt weighed in at 20.8 oz for the regular size (sans attachment cords and stuff sack). It is significantly loftier than my WM Summerlite and my MH Phantom 32, which are similar in overall weight.

Now on to the attachment system. This, apparently, is the real virtue (or vice?) of the quilt that separates it from other quilts. After playing around with it for an hour or so, I found that it seems to work well, although a bit fiddly. Basically, you attach two cords around your pad, and the attachment thingies on the quilt hook onto the cords so that you can adjust the fit as needed. In practice, I found that you'll want to have the bottom attachment and one side of the top secured. Then climb in and secure the other top attachment. But how to secure the neck? There are two snaps there and they are quite hard to close. I'm not sure how you would manage this while lying in the bag. Also, It's a bit constricting (frightening for claustrophobes like me) to being lying on your back and have the neck portion of your quilt closed around your neck with the closure underneath you. I suspect I'd only want to do this if it was downright freezing cold and comfort outweighed the possibility of quick exit. I think personally something like velcro would be better for easier ingress and egress.

The real worry, though, is the attachment system in relation to my pad. Now I use an NeoAir Xtherm, and there are two main concerns here:

(i) The cords that wrap around the pad act as a tourniquet, and I fear that a puncture of some sort will be induced by the pressure of the thin cord with my body weight on the pad. Thoughts?
(ii) The cord attachment thingies on the quilt itself have rather sharp corners, and I'm concerned that, once again, they will puncture the pad. The material of the NeoAir line, particularly on top of the bad, isn't the thickest out there, and having a sharp object nearby isn't the best idea. From all appearances, the thingies are plastic but they do feel like metal, or at least have a similar kind of pointiness.

In summary, I think the quilt attachment system is quite ingenious, although will take some fiddling to get right. I tried ditching the cords and thingies and attempted to use the grosgrain ribbon closures instead (as found on most quilts), but found it too complicated. Trying to slide one's body into a quilt with multiple closures underneath just isn't worth it, to my mind. To put the point slightly differently, I can't imagine using any other quilt that doesn't attach in some way to your pad as the Katabatic system does. Indeed, I'm now considering rigging a similar system for all my sleeping bags. It's just nice to have your sleeping pad attached to your pad so you don't roll off at night. It's just figuring out how to overcome the aforementioned difficulties that presents a challenge.

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Peter S BPL Member
PostedJun 16, 2013 at 9:34 am

Hi David, I've used a Katabatic gear Palisade + NeoAir Xlite for a while with no problems. And i twist and turn quite a lot during the night. Fwiw.

Ike Jutkowitz BPL Member
PostedJun 16, 2013 at 9:38 am

I use a blackwelder 0F quilt in winter. It is seriously warm, and I generally don't bother with the attachment system. I do snap the neck and cinch it down- no problems snapping it while in the quilt if I roll onto my belly.

When it gets below -10F, I'm a little more inclined to strap in. I do use an xtherm small, and haven't had problems with the cordage. Doesn't have to be tourniquet tight. Enjoy. It's a great quilt.

James Cahill BPL Member
PostedJun 16, 2013 at 9:39 am

thats a good looking quilt, the picture makes me want to snuggle up in it right now.

I cannot comment specifically on the Katabatic system, but I have an EE quilt and it's similar. To close the neck snaps while under the quilt strapped to the pad, try this:

Free arms/shoulders from top of quilt, reach over to one snap with opposite arm, locate it and move it closer to your head. Repeat with other snap. Now that you know where they are, grab each snap with the same side hand and snap behind your neck, and then shimmy your shoulders back under the quilt.

As far as the neck hole tightening fear – just think of all the heat your trapping in there!

I wish I could help with the pad attachment issues, but my only advice would be to try it without them for a night and see if you like that. I think many people choose quilts so that they don't have to be attached to the pad (but I've never used one in cold cold temps)

PostedJun 16, 2013 at 9:50 am

I also am a Revelation user, although wow that Katabatic looks wonderful!! I snap the neck closed on my quilt without my head in it…meaning I lift the quilt above me, snap together the head hole, then put my head through the opening like putting on a shirt. The EE quilts let me cinch it as much or as little as I like, and generally just snapping the neck closed is all I need to keep toasty on chilly nights.

I have also fiddled with attachment systems, but overall I find I don't really need one if I just snap the neck closed on me. And I am very much a tosser and turner, stomach, side and back sleeper.

jake. BPL Member
PostedJun 16, 2013 at 12:51 pm

I own a 6' wide Palisade quilt with 3oz of overfill and REALLY like it.

Neck snap: pull your feet all the way into the bottom of the foot box, sit up and snap the closure infront of you, then pull the snapped quilt over your head and lay back down. Presto!

Pad attachment cords: have them tied not too tight, a little loose is OK. At first I was worried about the clips puncturing my air mat or even the quilt. I've found they will lay down flat either one way or the other. Typically I don't even bother with the cord clips unless it's below freezing, the differential cut wraps around you very well as it is.

Enjoy your quilt, they are made beautifully!

PostedJun 16, 2013 at 5:45 pm

I own an Alsek wide. I open the neck draw cord as wide as it wil go, snap the buttons with the sleeping bag in front of me while my legs are in, then put my head through the hole, lay down, and adjust cords, clips, and tabs as necessary.
I find the Alsek to be less confining then any of the mummy bags I own.
Normally I do not tighten the cords to the sleeping pad too much, enough so they slide and do not pinch the pad. With the wide bag there is plenty of fabric to wrap around me to block drafts along the pad. I've used it with a Neoair without problems (as well as a few other air pads).
Getting out of the quilt is pretty much the reverse of getting in, open the neck drawstring, unclip one top clip if necessary, then pull head through the neck hole, and crawl out. A little more work then a mummy bag but I don't wake up with the bag upside down and my face in the back of the hood and the sleeping pad sideways in the tent like I do when using a mummy bag.

terry tiedeman BPL Member
PostedJun 16, 2013 at 6:05 pm

I have some katabatic quilts and I am so happy with them. For me I just lay the quilt on top of the pad (original neoair or prolite) after I tie the 2 cords around. Then I get in and do all of the attachments from inside while I lay down. It is super easy for me to do even while inside a bivy. It just takes some getting used to. I rarely snap the closure on the neck except sometimes when it gets really cold around 4 am but I really appreciate the sturdy snap and the material it is reinforced with because it is really durable and I know it is built to last. There have been a couple times I have woken up hot and the bag has been all drawn and snapped tight and felt a little claustrophobic especially being in a bivy, but I have gotten used to it and I just take a deep breath and unsnap the quilt and then unzip the bivy as calmly as I can till I feel free. After this happened 10 or 20 times with a little panic I have actually now conquered the claustrophobic feeling. Good luck and enjoy.

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