Jun 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm #1304254
I am a big fan of tarps. My 8×10 Sil tarp works wonderfully, however I am switching to a top quilt, and can no longer just wear a hat and some bug netting and go to sleep.
I am not really a fan of bivy's I might go that route if I have to, but I'd prefer a different solution.
So fellow quilt users with a tarp, how do you keep out the bugs?Jun 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm #1997002
A net tent of some sort could work. Plenty of cottage manufacturers make them. Sea to summit has a light one without a bottom. You can see it here: http://m.rei.com/mt/www.rei.com/product/849594/sea-to-summit-nano-mosquito-pyramid-insect-shield-net-shelter.Jun 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm #1997008
@slammerLocale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
BPWD Minimalist 1 works great for meJun 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm #1997018
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Bear Paw Wilderness Designs makes several net tents and bivies:
Many of the other cottage tent and tarp makers have their version of an inner net, bivy, etc. All are about the same idea with a waterproof floor and a net top.
That's about it with a quilt unless you have a tiny robotic anti-flying insect system. Might do the trick for bears and raccoons too :) Like a Rumba vacuum for skeeters:
Jun 15, 2013 at 7:04 pm #1997026
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
4 foot circle of netting – just lay it over your head end and make sure your foot end is protected by quilt
But mostly I just avoid bug seasons so I use this only occasionallyJun 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm #1997047
like others have said i would highly recommend bpwd.Jun 15, 2013 at 10:57 pm #1997075
@millonasLocale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Everybody is different, but even more than the bites the thing that drives me crazy is high pitched point-blank buzzing. While it sounds like they are flying right into your ear as you try to sleep, I think 6-8 inches away is probably is sufficient to make me scream.
Because of this all my experiments with using head and body nets and low volume bivies have failed over the years, and I basically require a "sonic perimeter" of at least a few feet in every direction from my head if they are going to be at all active at night. Laying the netting over my head area would not work for me. At the very least it would have to be hung overhead teepee-style. So for me I'm stuck with at least a tarptent or full bug tent during those times.
When there are tons of them out I usually ritually search the inside of my enclosure before I get in my bag and "evict" every last one I can find (with extreme prejudice). If there is one left alive chances are near certain it will fly in my ear and make me jerk painfully awake multiple times during the night. LOL
Anyway, as you try to figure out the minimal solution that works for you, keep the sonic annoyance factor in mind too. I suppose you could try earplugs, but blocking out all sounds doesn't work for me either.Jun 16, 2013 at 4:36 am #1997085
What is it about bivies that you don't like? Would an all mesh bug bivy work for you? They are pretty light (5-6 ounces) and feel much more open than a regular bivy. You can sleep on top and only climb in if/when there are bugs. TiGoat, Borah Gear, and others make nice bug bivies.Jun 16, 2013 at 4:45 am #1997088
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
Sleeping under a tarp in bug season can be a problem. I don't think there is a large difference between a quilt or bag…mostly in warmer weather, I use my bag as a quilt anyway. Colder conditions means there are no bugs.
Anyway, I often use a tarp through the ADK's. Bugs are always a problem except for winter. I use a layered approach.
1) Your tarp will help with some bugs.
2) Your quilt will help with some bugs.
3) Permethrin on your outside clothing. You should keep one set of LIGHT long johns treated, too. Use these for warm evenings with lot's of bugs.
4) Keep a fire about 10' away from you. Some bugs like the IR. Some like the CO2. Give them an alternate target.
5) Smoke a cigar (more for waking hours.) Bugs do not like the smoke, generally.
6) DEET over all exposed skin. Most bugs will obey it. Not really recommended, but…
7) Wear extra-long sleeves. Close these up for the night with a hair tie.
8) Use the sleeping "net".
9) Someone suggested I use mosquito coils. It does seem to help but they don't last a long time. 3-4 hours is about it.
10) Cotton balls in the ears will quite most buzzing.
11) DEET on your hat, heavily saturated, will deter them from your head and ears.
12) Afterbite (oil & ammonia) will handle most bites.
Last week I was out in the ADK's in blackfly season. I didn't get one bite. Mosquitoes were also out. These can bite right through clothing. Avoid the areas that has a lot of mosquitoes, if possible. Using these techniquies, can keep you relativly bug free, but, do not expect to avoid all bites.
I have not tried to use permethrin on my down stuff, but, next week I will give this a try. I need to permethrin some new pants and a shirt, anyway. It is not really a repellant, but, even bugs will avoid something that will kill them. If you have a nylon, felt or wool hat, permethrin that, too. Permethrin will not stick to PET-recycled clothing too well nor many synthetics (example: polypropylene doesn't absorb much, it resists most chemicals.)Jun 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm #1997218
@dpnollLocale: Maroon BellsJun 16, 2013 at 6:54 pm #1997295
@slohikerLocale: NC Foothills
Less than $30 ……Jun 16, 2013 at 7:08 pm #1997298
+1. A good piece of gearJun 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm #1997305
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@hikerduaneLocale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
David, that sure takes up a lot of real estate.
DuaneJun 16, 2013 at 9:52 pm #1997334
I like the look of the Sea to Summit one. I mainly cowboy camp now or am trying to so I have no poles to use. Since mosquitoes mainly can bit you through the mesh if it is on your body I was looking for a larger coverage option because during the summer here it is too warm to use quilt or bag. I don't think it is big enough for my 6'5" self. I have been trying to rig up a 3 meter piece of noseeum netting next to myself with sticks but that really isn't working.
Any real options out there for people who will be sleeping out on hot summer days that need more full coverage but also don't have any poles or structures except possibly one tree?Jun 17, 2013 at 5:23 am #1997357
@dpnollLocale: Maroon Bells
Not really. I pitched wide there because of the room. The 1.25 bug tent is 42" wide in front so you can actually get by on slightly less than 48". Gen also has a 1.0 which is only 36" wide.
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