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PostedMay 26, 2013 at 6:03 pm

This year, my wife and I will be taking our soon-to-be 3 yr old daughter on her first real backpacking experience in the Colorado Rockies. Right now, I'm trying to come up with a sleep system that will keep her comfortable to around 30-40 F.

So far, I'm thinking either either a Z lite Sol or a Ridgerest in a size small (with the silver reflective coating). My daughter is about 37" tall–I could cut down the pad to save weight, if necessary (or better yet, let her grow into it). The thing is, the R-value on these is only about 2.6 or 2.8 (I think the Ridgerest gets the higher R value). My wife and I will have pads with an R value of around 5+, so I'm thinking I'll need to double up on pads for my daughter or add something like a cheap blue foam pad or a 3/8" pad from Gossamer Gear. I'm assuming, anyway, that my daughter would at least need to be as warm as the two of us adults.

With regard to top insulation, I was thinking of the Enlightened Equipment Prodigy(X) quilts. I think the 30 degree version runs around 14 oz.

The final thing would be finding clothing on the cheap that will keep her warm. This past winter, we did some hiking/snowshoeing near Mt. Evans in temps around 10-15 degrees and she was miserably cold. We had bought her thrift store synthetic insulation which didn't do much for her at all. I'm thinking this time around to get her better quality stuff, but I also don't want to pay an arm and leg for something she'll grow out of.

Thoughts?

bjc BPL Member
PostedMay 26, 2013 at 8:07 pm

If you are wanting to stay with a ccf pad buy a long and double it over. The long thermarest is 77". Or a big Agnes Qcore sl petite at 1 lb. and r5 if inflatable is ok. Neither of our boys were comfortable in the Colorado back country with anything less than a 15-20 degree bag. As for clothes, we used long underwear, sweats, and nylon kids running suit. Also a warm jacket, knit cap and mittens. They preferred ponchos for rain, though we usually took PVC coated rain gear for them. . Extra warm socks.
My youngest is now 17 and he uses a 10 degree revelation quilt with an exped ul 7 pad. He is skinny and still sleeps cold!

Greg F BPL Member
PostedMay 26, 2013 at 8:19 pm

Im in the Canadian Rockies so simlar conditions with lows down to freezing.

For pads we just have cheap blue foam pads with an R value of 2.
For bags I made a MYOG quilt out of an old sleeping bag for the four year old and got an EE prodigy x for our two year old. These have worked well for us. The biggest thing about Tims quilts are how compact they are compared on anything else available.

For clothing for each kid I bring the following

Fleece pants
Long pants
Short pants
Syntetic Tights
Fleece sweater
Sythetic pyjamas top
Short sleve T (cotton)
Long sleve T (cotton)
Rain Coat

For sleeping they wear the tights, pyjama top, and the fleece layer. Im not worried about the cotton shirts as if everything got soaked they could wear the fleece layer directly over skin. The fleece top is about a 200 weight fleece and on warmer nights isnt warm. For outer layers I perfer to buy a little more expensive gear with good resale value. In Canada MEC kids stuff sells used for about 70% of retail so while its more up front the lifecycle cost is about the same. I bought these for fleece layers.

http://www.mec.ca/product/5016-359/mec-yeti-hooded-jacket-2-childrens/?h=10+50084&f=10+50020+50084
http://www.mec.ca/product/4017-566/mec-yeti-pants-childrens/?h=10+50084&f=10+50020+50084

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