May 20, 2013 at 9:01 pm #1303178
Just came upon this on kickstarter and it looks like it could have some good potential, especially in reducing the size of the inflation bag in mats/ packrafts. Unfortunately the overall product they are selling is heavy and not particularly impressive (1.5 lb for a mat with an r of 1).
Has anyone seen something like this before?May 20, 2013 at 9:15 pm #1988182
@fluffinreach-comLocale: no. california
the same "puff" trick is used to make it possible to easily use smaller inflato sacks for packrafts.
he has developed a very effective demo bag.
thank you !
v..May 20, 2013 at 9:25 pm #1988185
Franco DarioliBPL Member
Car campers will probably like it but here a 24oz R1 mat is not all that exiting.
get a Neo Air X Lite at half that weight (3x warmer) add to it 2 or 3 oz for their stuff sack/pump or the battery operated Mini Pump and you are in business.
The TR stuff sack/pump as well as the Instaflator and the type that comes with the Alpacka raft use the same principle so maybe not as fast but similar .May 21, 2013 at 6:31 pm #1988498
Ross BleakneyBPL Member
Looks good, but it sure looks a lot like the instaflator (http://www.themillair.com/index.html) but as an integrated unit. I wonder if anyone has a patent on this sort of thing?May 22, 2013 at 6:04 am #1988595
Erik BasilBPL Member
I think that kid's got something there, and that we will see it on products in the future. I don't think the "air bag" is the patentable feature, but it may be part of a system. Certainly, there's prior art on the bag concept, albeit maybe without patent protection.
Notably, it appears his patentable valve (which appears to be a flap, or flutter, valve to contain air in the bag, looks to be made of the same materials as the sleeping pad. His current set up is too heavy for backpacking, but that's now. It looks suitable for car-camping gear, and for "Walmart quality" gear already — and I see a huge market for that speed and simplicity in car camping gear and Chinese speed-manufactured stuff.
The beauty of that valve is that he doesn't have to fill a huge tunnel and then squeeze it in to inflate, but only that short section. Very cool.May 22, 2013 at 7:00 am #1988607
Isn't that basically what a schnozzel does for an Exped mat? You blow rapidly into it, it inflates fully and then inflates the mat after like 3 breaths. I think the real interesting part of this design is the valve, but is it necessary seeing as the very basic schnozzel works so well?
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