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The holy grail of sleeping pads: NeoAir Xtherm or Exped Synmat UL?

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PostedMay 19, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Trying to decide how to spend my 20% coupon at REI. As part of my overall effort to get my pack weight this year below 10 lbs, I'm ditching my trusty Big Agnes Insulated Air Core (1 lb, 10 oz) in favor of something substantially lighter.

Yesterday, I went to REI and weighed both of these. Weights are for the regular size.

NeoAir Xtherm = 435 g (15.3 oz)*
Exped SynMat UL7 = 463 g (16.3 oz)

*Incidentally, the NeoAir Xlite (yellow one) weighed in at 393 g (13.9 oz), only 1.4 oz less than the Xtherm with nearly half the R value.

Points in favor of Xtherm:
-Warmer (R value = 5.7 vs. 3.2 for Exped)
-More comfortable? (the horizontal baffling isn't as bouncy, anyway, as my trusty BA Insulated Air Core)
-Normal valve system (not sure what's going on with the Exped valves)

Points in favor of the Exped:
-Much larger surface area–this thing is wide (wider than my BA Air Core)! Also, it's a rectangle vs. a mummy like the NeoAir
-Thicker by a bit
-Not as crinkly (minor advantage, the crinkliness of the NeoAir doesn't bother me too much)
-Fabric seems more durable than the NeoAir

I think it comes down to these questions:
(a) Will the NeoAir fail me? Fabric seems a bit thinnish.
(b) Will I get used to the mummy shape of the NeoAir? I love the space of my BA Air Core.

PostedMay 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm

The fabric on the Exped is actually significantly thinner (though, that still may not translate to serious durability issues). It is a 20D fabric, while the XTherm has 30D on the top and 70D on the bottom.

Both have a reputation for durability, but the 70D is definitely more bomber than any other lightweight mattress out there.

M B BPL Member
PostedMay 19, 2013 at 2:58 pm

When you weigh the xlite, you are probably weighing some documentation and repair kit that is all rolled up inside it inside the stuffsak?.

My xlite weighs 12.6 oz without the stuffsak.

The xtherm is only a bit heavier, for the 70D bottom.

I carry a 2.5 oz 19×60" 1/8" CCF pad with my xlite to use under it to protect it.
During the day, I use the CCF as a sitpad
If I get a leak, I can double it over and have a 1/4" CCF torso pad

no complaints about the xlite

together, 15.1 oz and R of about 4, but more durable, and more versatile.

Unless camping on snow or such, dont need a 5.7 R value

After the initial problems with the Xlite, its been very reliable. Some have made whole thru hikes of PCT and AT with them without failure.

Hiking Malto BPL Member
PostedMay 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm

I used the xtherm all winter and it is super warm. If there's a better mat then it must rock you to sleep.

PostedMay 20, 2013 at 11:37 am

I weighed the Xlite without anything else, but there's a possibility that something was off, as I did this on the floor of REI. But is yours the regular or the small (or women's)?

But if you're right, then the Xtherm only weighs 2.7 oz more than the Xlite. Now I do agree with your recommendation of a 1/8" foam pad. I also use a Gossamer Gear thinlight which is 1/8" in thickness. I do this to prevent punctures but probably more so to help with slippage on the silnylon floor of my tent.

I guess I don't need a winter pad for the summer trips I do, but I will tell you that I'm always getting cold at night and this year I told myself I would do something to rectify the situation. I read somewhere online that conductive heat loss via the ground is more responsible for one getting cold than heat loss through one's sleeping bag. I think I believe this theory, as I'm always feeling cold through my Big Agnes Insulated Air Core pad.

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