Mar 9, 2013 at 8:53 am #1300226
Martin ClarkBPL Member
@marty_mcflyLocale: Southeast US
Anyone have any useful and practical suggestions for how to acquire backcountry navigation skills?
my current methods are:
– youtube videos
other considerations are:
– taking a class,
– finding someone who lives near me from BPL to assist me with acquiring such skills in exchange for money or free lunch/dinnerMar 9, 2013 at 9:01 am #1963441
Have a look at http://www.backcountryattitude.com/navigation_map_compass.html
There are likely other good resources out there.
I think the biggest issue is to get a lot of practice. Print out free topo maps of whatever areas you hike in using one of the approaches here:
Get a compass and review materials from book(s) and/or web or whatever and even on trails you know, "track" where you are as you go along. Pay attention to landforms, try to stay oriented.
I think that it's worth mentioning too that we're not all the same in terms of assimilating spatial data. My wife seems to build a virtual 3-D topo map in her head as she goes along. I need to diligently use the map and any other tools available (compass, gps, signs on the trail) to figure things out. So you might or might not be sort of natively "good" at this stuff, but with practice/learning I think that any of us can become good (just not always using the same approach).Mar 9, 2013 at 9:40 am #1963468
Michael RayBPL Member
+1 to what Brian said. Practice is the easiest way. Keep an eye on the topo as you're moving on familiar trails so you can picture what the topo is showing you. Things are much more difficult when surrounded by woods (or in a cloud/fog/blizzard) and you can't see any landmarks. When you do have views on familiar trails practice "triangulating" your position – you don't need 3 landmarks, even 1 will work if you're certain you're on a known marked trail.
Also don't forget the topo can't show you everything so you may come upon an impassible 30' cliff that you'll have to go around. That shouldn't be an issue unless you're going off-trail though.
There are several BPL members in the southeast, too, if you can arrange a trip.
If you want a fun challenge, go geocaching with just map and compass!Mar 9, 2013 at 9:58 am #1963478Mar 9, 2013 at 10:02 am #1963480Mar 9, 2013 at 10:15 am #1963482Mar 9, 2013 at 10:16 am #1963484
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
It makes a lot more sense if you use the title of the book, Mountaineering: Freedom of the Hills.
–B.G.–Mar 9, 2013 at 10:18 am #1963485
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
I like learning such things from a book. REI does some classes and you can probably find some outdoor organization that have classes too.
One way to practice is to get out in a park and run triangular courses and see if you can end up in the same spot. Try it with a hood blocking your view so you can only see the compass and a little ground in front of you. You will be counting steps to estimate distance as well as mthe compass direction. A soccer field makes a good practice area. Most books will have some suggestions for practice.
You can test your triangulation skills in town using tall buildings, broadcast antennas and water towers. You can use a smart phone or GPS to confirm your results.
It's really a process of understanding the angles and adjusting for declination. In the field, taking regular bearings and following your progress on a map will avoid needing to do things like triangulating on peaks. If you do need to go there, following your progress will let you know which peaks you are looking at— something you need to know to get your location. In other words, don't wait until you are lost to get out your map and compass!
I enjoy the process and having a map in hand lets you know what features are in your view. I've been working on getting to know all my local peaks I've lived among them for a lifetime and its fun to be able to name them as well as have a feeling for the trails, lakes and rivers around them.
This is the sort of thing you have to put up with in Seattle. I know a few of the major peaks:
Mar 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm #1963633
Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
Speaking of orienteering, have you looked for orienteering clubs in your area?
There are clubs devoted to orienteering that often hold regular meets. They are a great way to practice your map & compass.Mar 10, 2013 at 11:38 am #1963879
Daniel described a process using this site:
The problem for me with this and similar sites is that you get a pdf file that's native size is much bigger than most printers will handle — so you either reduce image size to too-low or you print on multiple pages. Or do a more complicated process like it sounds like Daniel is using to piece together what you want and then drive to a local kinkos or the like to actually print it.
That's way too much effort for me. For the local outdoor group that I volunteer with, a few of us analyzed this process and the result was the link I shared before,
The first option we listed there gives an approache that allows you to print out desired topo map chunks at decent resolution from your own printer, and without using any additional tools or a very complicated process. I.e., non-geeks can manage it just fine. I suggest that folks try this as at least their first option before deciding that they might want something more complicated.
Certainly a knowledge of more tools and choices gives you more options to control exactly what you get for the, I suspect, < 10% out there that really want that. Maybe well under 10% as I'm a somewhat geeky guy and the simple approach does me just fine in almost all cases.Mar 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm #1963896
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
Brian, I'm not sure what you are using for a computer system.
With most systems, it is not the printer that is the limitation. Generally the computer operating system has a print spooler, and when you click Print in the application program, the print file is prepared and then "spooled" out to the printer a little at a time. If the print spooler of the OS can't handle it, then that is not the printer's problem.
I routinely open huge PDF files either within the PDF software or else within Adobe Photoshop. Photoshop may need to rasterize the file before it goes ahead. That takes a while, but it works. I print maps out on Super A3 paper.
–B.G.–Mar 10, 2013 at 1:56 pm #1963921
Jeremy and AngelaBPL Member
@requiemLocale: Northern California
I just re-checked caltopo.com and they've added a feature to create PDFs. When you choose that option you can select both paper size and map scale, and get a nice overlay to show exactly what area of the map will be included.
A quick test print at 1:24000 scale is a perfect match to the corresponding scale on my plotter. Be sure when you print the PDF to disable any "ignore scaling/shrink to fit" options.Mar 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm #1964031
I just checked out CalTopo.
It has the most intuitive print to pdf interface I have seen on a free mapping tool,
especially when printing multiple pages.Mar 11, 2013 at 9:46 am #1964240
Dena KelleyBPL Member
@eagleriverdeeLocale: Eagle River, Alaska
If you have an REI nearby, sign up for their mailing list. Our local REI offers free and low-fee courses every week. Orienteering with map and compass, and using a GPS are both courses that are offered every single month.Mar 11, 2013 at 10:13 am #1964245
Thanks so much, Jeremy — caltopo.com is clearly the best way to do this! I'm definitely going to pass this on to lots of folks in my local organization.
We push everyone to bring a map on every trip they go on, but IMO we (and likely most similar non-profits) do a poor job of making it as easy as possible for them to do so.
This option ratchets down the difficulty factor another notch while adding features (I particularly like ability to easily print a UTM grid overlay).Mar 12, 2013 at 12:18 am #1964619Mar 12, 2013 at 12:37 am #1964620Mar 12, 2013 at 10:08 am #1964720Mar 13, 2013 at 9:37 am #1965066
Randy NelsonBPL Member
"Speaking of orienteering, have you looked for orienteering clubs in your area?
There are clubs devoted to orienteering that often hold regular meets. They are a great way to practice your map & compass."
+1. I took the family to a meet run by the local club last year and it was really fun. Here's a list of clubs by state: http://www.us.orienteering.org/clubs/allMar 17, 2013 at 9:01 am #1966641
Also I read the navigation/compass chapters of lots of books and the one that made it click for me what the chapter in Freedom of the Hills.Mar 22, 2013 at 4:25 pm #1968674Apr 13, 2013 at 8:42 am #1976172Apr 13, 2013 at 8:51 am #1976176Apr 13, 2013 at 10:20 am #1976213
M GBPL Member
Single best way to learn, dial and practice your compass/map navigation skills in a controlled and scaleable environment. Many areas also have permanently marked courses that are great to practice on your own time if you can't make the regularly scheduled weekend events. All clubs I have been involved with have had instruction available at events. They are also usually very affordable.
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