- Feb 22, 2013 at 8:24 am #1299583
19 ounce complete shelter. Looks mighty nice.Feb 22, 2013 at 8:43 am #1957377Andy AndersonBPL Member
I happened to stumble upon this earlier today. Looks pretty close to perfection.Feb 22, 2013 at 9:48 am #1957393diego deanBPL Member
Certainly looks like a great shelter! This might just be my first cuben shelter…. But ill probably hold out for some reviews first, so someone report back when they get one.Feb 22, 2013 at 9:56 am #1957395Ryan SmithBPL Member
@violentgreenLocale: East TN
That's a nice shelter. I wonder if the netting is sewn to the cuben fly, then taped over?
RyanFeb 22, 2013 at 10:24 am #1957402Feb 22, 2013 at 10:49 am #1957413Duane HallBPL Member
@pkhLocale: Nova Scotia
From the website: the floor is sewn to the netting which is sewn to a cuben fiber strip. This strip is then taped to the tarp wall, so no stitching in the cuben wall.Feb 22, 2013 at 10:50 am #1957414Ryan SmithBPL Member
@violentgreenLocale: East TN
Ahh, thanks Duane.
RyanFeb 22, 2013 at 10:56 am #1957417Feb 22, 2013 at 11:05 am #1957420Duane HallBPL Member
@pkhLocale: Nova Scotia
The only potential issue I can see with this shelter is condensation, a feature of all single walled shelters. I'm sure it can be managed though. It certainly looks like a nice tight set-up that will be very easy to pitch. Sweet!Feb 22, 2013 at 11:23 am #1957428Nick LarsenMember
@stingray4540Locale: South Bay
Did anyone notice they have the same tent in a full double wall for 2oz. less! only 17oz. and it looks like a few more could be cut if they were willing to do modifications on request.Feb 22, 2013 at 11:43 am #1957433Herbert SitzBPL Member
@hesLocale: Pacific NW
The single wall Cirriform looks very much like a Tarptent Contrail would if done in cuben.
Weights that Yama lists don't include stakes so for 6-8 necessary stakes add 1.5 to 2 ounces to listed weight. (I prefer Tarptent's policy of listing weights including stakes and stuff sack (I think Yama did include stuff sack). Tarptent also includes good set of stakes in purchase price, which most vendors don't.)
With stakes it puts Cirriform SW up close to 21 ounces while Contrail is at 24 oz (but Contrail needs seam sealing). That's probably a 3 to 4 ounce real world difference in weight b/w Contrail and Cirriform.
I expect some might judge the weight savings with Cirriform SW to be worth double the cost of Contrail. Others not. I tend to think the comparison makes Contrail look even better than I thought it did.
I wonder what the Cirriform would look like in "storm pitch mode". With Contrail you can pitch with sides down to ground, don't see any pictures like that for Cirriform. There are actually quite a few different pitching options with Contrail, wonder whether cuben version has same flexibility.Feb 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm #1957444diego deanBPL Member
Would the contrail be as good a fit for a guy 6'2 with big feet pokin up at the sky? Looks like the Yamas designed the rear end and total length just a bit better for that scenario, but all Ive seen of both are pics and videos.Feb 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm #1957451David UreMember
The Contrail is a minimalist shelter and the weight savings by going to a cuben canopy will not be significant because the Contrail is already so light. At this
'level,' the gains in weight savings will definitely be marginal. To get lighter, you have to pay!
From a cost v.s. weight perspective, the Contrail is hard to beat (the Lunar Solo would be included in this catagory).Feb 22, 2013 at 1:10 pm #1957456Franco DarioliBPL Member
@francoLocale: Gauche, CU.
Would the contrail be as good a fit for a guy 6'2 …
Using the rear mid strut (as I do) at 6'5" from the mesh door the Contrail is about 20" high 18' or so across.
A bit higher in the center.
That is when set up at my elbow height (45")
(I have to edit to add an image)Feb 22, 2013 at 4:00 pm #1957495Steven McAllisterBPL Member
@brooklynkayakLocale: Arizona, US
It doesn't look like the kind of shelter I'd want to be in on a hot summer night. I'd want to take a knife to the netting so I could get the fly higher to get air flow.Feb 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm #1957498
Thanks Travis. Had to order one.
BradFeb 22, 2013 at 4:07 pm #1957500
Haha! Glad I could be of help! Want to order me one? :)
I've actually been looking at the stratiform III because it is aesthetically attractive to me, but have a hard time justifying it since I own a Trailstar and HMG Echo I.Feb 22, 2013 at 4:57 pm #1957512
FYI, when my wife ask about the charge I'm blaming you. Wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't bought two Zimmerbuilt packs the last month.
Don't worry about owning a few shelters. Given my 1 and 2 person shelter this will be number 13 (now 3 need to be retired), but that is crazy. I have got to sell a few shelters and packs.
Note to self…make appt with therapist.
BradFeb 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm #1957516
Ah, it's not the owning of multiple shelters that worries me. Its *paying* for them that is troublesome!Feb 22, 2013 at 5:11 pm #1957524
Can you list out your 13 shelters, and your packs too, including day packs? Enquiring minds want to know. :)Feb 22, 2013 at 5:14 pm #1957527
What this mind wants to know is how many of Brad's shelter purchases were enabled by you! :)Feb 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm #1957534
Black Diamond Lighthouse
Big Agnes Flycreek 2
Tarptent Squall 2 (ready to retire)
Sierra Lightning (first tent, ready to retire)
MLD Cuben Grace Duo
MLD Solomid Cuben
MLD Cricket Silynlon
MSR Carbon Reflex 1
MLD Trailstar (silnylon)
One reason I keep all these is to let people borrow who are I'm trying to get into the backpacking. That being said I need to sale some gear.
BradFeb 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm #1957543
Shelters — a clear progression from solid tents to UL shelter options — esp. cuben!Feb 22, 2013 at 5:47 pm #1957546
Honestly trying to find my way. Lot of trial and error to figure out what I like. It's about balance between weight and what works for me. I've learned it's not all about weight.
BradFeb 22, 2013 at 5:54 pm #1957548
I know… I crave space and that makes it really hard to shave weight. I've tried so many different tents and tarptents — struggling to find the easiest set up that also weighs the lightest but will give me the most space and comfort. Sigh…
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