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I need help with base layers and top layer

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Zack Freije BPL Member
PostedApr 16, 2007 at 9:18 pm

What can you recommend that is light weight and works well?

I want to end up with the following:
1. t-shirt baselayer that is light,and good at wicking persperation

2. long sleeved baselayer that is light and good at wicking persperation but is designed to be a bit warmer.

3. fleece or similar wam layer in long sleeves that is sufficient in ~40 weather.

4. I have a lightweight rain jacket/windbreaker.

My goal is to be able to wear the t-shirt alone when it is really hot, wear the long sleeve alone when it is a bit cooler, wear them both together if necessary.

Either option could be work with the rain jacket/windbreaker .

Then if it gets a bit cold, I would add the fleece jacket which would need to be tight fitting enough to fit under the athletic cut rainjacket/windbreaker.

Do you have any suggestions for brands?

PostedApr 16, 2007 at 11:45 pm

Zack,
I now use a four layer system similar to what you discussed. Base layer (short or long sleeved), insulation layer, a rainshell, and one more; a windshell.

I was refining this system last weekend. Here's what I recommend, quoting your original post..

1. t-shirt baselayer that is light,and good at wicking persperation
– Outdoor Research M's Sequence T., Merino blend, short sleeved. Merino blends keep the stink down and the polyester dries quicker than pure merino. Get this in a light color for hot days.

2. long sleeved baselayer that is light and good at wicking persperation but is designed to be a bit warmer.
– Montbell MW merino 1/4 zip top, long sleeved. Rationale: Merino feels warmer than poly/blends and reduces flash evaporation. Going uphill pull up the sleeves and unzip, going down drop the sleeves and zip up. Get this in a light color for hot days. If you want poly, Capilene is popular (but not with me).

3. fleece or similar wam layer in long sleeves that is sufficient in ~40 weather.
Down to 40F probably all you need is a windshirt over your base layer.. A windshirt is a windbreaker with breathability; it can be worn when active without retaining condensation. It prevents some conductive and convective heat loss and blocks rain at least until you can put on your shell:
– Patagonia Houdini or 2007 Marmot Ion (not the 2006)
Now your insulation layer..
– REI Woodland fleece jacket, full zip. Rationale, nothing breathes better than fleece, and under the windshell it is quite warm.
– Going colder than 40? bring a Montbell Thermawrap jacket, action jacket, parka, or vest instead of the fleece.
– Going colder than 30? bring both.
When you stop or belay, pull the fleece or thermawrap OVER the windshirt; then re pack it when you move. I recommend dark colors for solar heating.

4. I have a lightweight rain jacket/windbreaker.
OK, but for the benefit of other readers, here are my recommendations.. The windbreaker was re-defined as a windshirt and discussed above. For the rainshell:
– Good: Cheap Gen 1 goretex ECWCS parka from ebay (remove lining)
– Better: The North Face jackets in HyVent fabric, such as the DIAD
– Best: eVENT rain jacket, ex; Integral Designs Thru-Hiker (order one size larger than normal) This one fabric is the exception to needing a winshirt and separate jacket. It is breathable enough to be both (and costs as much).

Of course, all this is what worked for me; I have yet to buy the ID eVENT jacket, everything else I have used and can vouch for.

So with this system you only have 6 items hanging in your closet; short, long, windshirt, fleece, thermawrap, shell. Take four of them and you will have 6 combinations (permutations, really) as the trail conditions change.

Since I'm already rambling; might as well mention bottom layers: Montbell merino long underwear, zip-off REI Summit pants, Montbell UL windpants, Patagonia full-zip Micro Puff pants, and Red Ledge full-zip rain pants.
5 more items hanging in your closet, 6 permutations.

Similar systems for headwear, gloves, and footwear. Closet's starting to get full now..

PostedApr 17, 2007 at 6:34 am

1. Patagonia Capilene

2. Patigonia Wind Shield top

3. Montbell Down Inner Jacket

4. Driducks Micropore Rainsuit jacket

In warmer weather I omit layer 3. In colder weather I beef up layers 1 (heavier weight) and 3 a little bit.

I especially love the Patigonia top with the wrist cuffs and thumb holes. They went on sale at REI Outlet this last year and I took out a loan so I could load up on them. I still am using the first one I bought.

I love the Montbell Down Inner Jacket but it's a very delicate piece of gear. When around a campfire wearing the Driducks jacket is a must… the slightest spark burns it instantly.

On edit I will add that I can PROVE that this is the system I use on a regular basis… look at my avatar photo. I don't have the Driducks jacket on but I do have layers 1-3 on in the photo.

I also consider my headwear to be part of my system. I wear an ear-wrap or knit cap in cold weather (Turtle Fur).

Then there is my hand insulation. I have three layers. 1) Coolibar fingerless golves 2) Possom Down Gloves 3) OR Rain Claw Mitts … I start with layer 1, pull the Possom Down Gloves over this, and then the OR Mitts over this when it gets cold in camp of it rains. I am thinking of replacing the OR mitts with the new eVent rain mitts but haven't gotten around to it.

PostedApr 17, 2007 at 9:06 am

Hey James, I have a few Capilene base layer items, but none have thumb holes. I did some quick searching and couldn't find any. Which model/item is it with the thumb holes and wrist cuffs?

Thanks

Steven Evans BPL Member
PostedApr 17, 2007 at 9:56 am

I believe he is referring to the Patagonia Wind Shield. It has the cuffs and thumb loops.
Steve

PostedApr 17, 2007 at 12:49 pm

Hrm.. I still can't find it. Do you have link or is it something they don't make anymore?

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