2013 lightest 30-40F sleep options

Couldn't be happier with my WM Summerlite

Does it pack down tiny?

ZPacks 30deg hybrid quilt/bag may be an option if weight is ultimate priority: 14.4 ounces. Light weight is partly b/c it’s not as full a cut as others but people seem to like it (not just for Kenyan marathoners, but reg size is more for 5’10”,160-70) and temp rating seems to be true:
ZPacks quilts

Katabatic Palisade 30deg/17.5 oz:
Katabatic Palisade

Enlightened Equipment Revelation 30/19oz:
EE Rev 30

Weight for all can vary a bit based on size and in some cases materials.

+1 on Zpacks 30deg quilt. Amazing light and warm. I love mine.

Yes, the WM Summerlight may be one of the lightest at the start of the trip.
But what about after 5 nights of use? How much moisture has it collected aand what does it weigh? And I do like WM products. I own a WM Megalite.

So I feel it's better to get a bag with DWR treated down like Down Tech or Dri Down. Treated down will absorb less moisture and be more likely to REMAIN light throughout a trip.

ZPacks offers a water resistant down (not sure which one) as a no-cost option and says it adds about 1oz to listed weight. They have link to a study comparing water-resistant down to non-treated down (I assume using same treatment as their no-cost option): Study.

I’m still not quite clear on what the differences are in real-world hiking situations, but for the moment I’m thinking the water-resistant-down treatments are good but something less than the miracle-cure that some seem to think they are.

I believe Enlightened Equipment also has water-resistant down option, not sure about others.

Do we have a scientific study comparing the properties of treated vs untreated, or a serious review of the two to bring clarity on the actual benefits?

Everyone's either on the miracle-cure wagon or the "It's not a miracle-cure" wagon, with nobody being very definitive on either side. I'd love to see a comprehensive look at it, but I have yet to find it.

Back to the weight question, check out Enlightened Equipment. Tim makes an excellent product and his customer service is above and beyond. If you went with one of his cuben quilts it'd be close to the lightest option out there. The Apex line (cuben) isn't back on the site yet as he's supposed to be redesigning them.

My understanding is that cuben fiber as quilt shell material is a vapor barrier that's not well suited for general three season use. Normal body sweat will be unable to escape and quilt will begin to feel "clammy".

This "vapor barrier" behavior is preferable sometimes in cold-weather winter camping but not for regular three-season use. Others with experience and a better understanding of this can chime in here.

On the Enlightened site the "Epiphany" quilts are the down-based vapor barrier quilts and the "Epiphany Apex" are vapor barrier quilts using the synthetic Climashield Apex insulation.

"This "vapor barrier" behavior is preferable sometimes in cold-weather winter camping but not for regular three-season use. Others with experience and a better understanding of this can chime in here".

Some sort of VBL is a regular part of my kit in all but the warmest part of summer here in Idaho. Of note, everyone who has seen me use one acted like it was one of the nuttiest things they had seen. Not a single one has shown an interest in trying.

I can't speak for all but I know they have worked for me in the environments I'm in….for ~10 yrs. They've allowed me to reduce my weight and bulk by a fair amount…at virtually no cost.

While it goes to reason they would not work well in certain conditions…I've gotten the distinct impression that very few people have actually experimented with them to any degree. We humans are a strange species. If something is so foreign to not be on the shelves of REI, with a hefty price tag, how could it possibly work. But I digress…….

I'm not debating a VP is or isn't ok for warmer weather. Suluk45 was the first I know of to have a cuben quilt and he did in fact use it in the Summer as well. At the time he billed it as the lightest quilt in the world. He has videos on YouTube and his site if you want to see his reviews.

"Does it pack down tiny?"

Yes. I probably have a pic laying around somewhere showing it compressed. All lofted hibernating in a cotton sack right now though.

Max,

I am hoping Bpl will come up with some data on this subject, I know Ryan Jordan has been testing out some of the offerings.

I did receive a gift of a lightweight down jacket with Downtek in it recently so I will be trying it out on upcoming trips.

Cheers,

Stephen

I checked out all of the options presented and I think I would rather have a full bag and head coverage if all of the weights are 16-21oz I have a ton of options in bags and quilts. Im adding the Stoic SomnusSZ 30 to my list of bags to consider. Water resistant shell that seems to get awesome reviews and 1lb6oz weight all @ $194 pricing point. The zpack quilt is def. light but it says 5 weeks delivery time which I cannot wait for. Im also an avid skydiver and this is the case typically with awesome gear…you have to wait for it. So as of now I would love to hear any experienced with the Marmot Atom40, Stoic Somnus, Montbell#5. I know the WM summerlite is right in the mix but I don't have access to it at a price within $100 of the other bags. Still considering a quilt also from Enlightened. Would love a pitcure of one of their 30 degree quilts packed down.

EE in 10d for sure…

The WM highlite is a fully hooded bag at 16oz which might be as light as you can go in a bag with hood.

Greg, wow. Just noticed this bag. Are they too new to find used? Know of any retailer with good pricing?

Be wise of the Highlite as it uses stitch through constuction.

Michael,

The Highlite isn't a new bag. I sold one several yrs ago. Cool little bag! I'd bet, with a little patience, you could find a nice used one. Make no mistake though: It is a summer bag.

I recommend Virga Outdoors, but of course I'm biased ;)

Here's my latest design (this one for myself)!

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Get an EE 40F quilt revelation.
Have Tim do lighter straps,like used to. the ones he is using now are too heavy IMO, a step in wrong direction.

You should be able to get it about 15 oz

Wear your baselayer and midlayer when you want to go down to 30, maybe add down booties 2.4 oz below 35F. THats when my feet get cold in mine.

You dont need a real hood over 30-35, a beanie and hood on a fleece or such is plenty.
If you want to go lower into high 20s add a goosefeet/zpacks down hood too, another whopping 1.2 oz.

You can push it to about 25F with these items and your puffy.
Very versatile too.

And MUCH roomier than summerlite, highlite, etc.
It works MUCH better at 55+ too than those bags as well, sans hood and down socks.

Or, get overfill and it ought to be better to about mid 30s by itself.