Jan 8, 2013 at 1:13 pm #1297796
I tried on a few packs today and need some help with sizing and/or recommendations for other packs that would fit me better. I'm 6'3'' with a 31" waist and ~20" torso…although I think that measurement is off because every medium pack so far is a little short.
The pack that I really want to work for me is an Osprey Exos 58, medium – The waistbelt fit perfect, but the torso length seems to be about an inch too short. Do the load lifters come in at too low of an angle here? I have the waistbelt sitting in the right place.
I also tried on a large Exos 46 (not enough volume) and the waist was a hair to big, while the torso seemed just right. And then I also tried on a medium GG Crown 60 and it was also too short in the torso, but fine in the waist.
So apparently I'm a medium waist, with a large torso. Should I try an Exos 58 in large and see if that fits, or are there other packs out there to consider?Jan 8, 2013 at 1:15 pm #1941894
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Try an EXOS 58 in a Large size. Not that many extra ounces.Jan 8, 2013 at 1:24 pm #1941897
@ken_bennettLocale: southeastern usa
It's hard to tell with load lifters these days. On the classic big heavy packs, with aluminum stays that reached well above the shoulders, the load lifters would be almost even with the earlobes. Certainly they would be angled down at about 45-degrees. But modern light packs aren't that tall, so the lifter straps often aren't much above the shoulders. (Nor do they work as well, but that's another discussion.)
All this is a lengthy way of saying, it depends. If the pack torso length feels okay otherwise, this pack might be fine. The top of the shoulder harness (where it attaches to the back of the pack) doesn't look too low, and that would be an obvious sign. But that's a little hidden in this pic. If you purchased the pack at a store with a good return policy, you could take it for a weekend hike and see how it feels after 10 or 20 miles — that's always the key thing for me.
(I really wanted to like the Exos 58 as a winter pack, but I'm too large in the hips/waist and the frame dug in. Most painful.)
You could look at similar packs that have interchangeable hip belts. Perhaps the ULA Catalyst, for example. With ULA I would definitely get the Large torso pack, as they seem to run a little short in my experience. But then you can get a medium hip belt to go with it.Jan 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm #1941913
I have the belt tightened with my iliac crest sitting in the middle of the belt. This is a perfect fit and is incredibly comfortable. A large would probably not fit as well.
Here's a little closer image of the shoulder straps and where they meet the pack. I have my shoulders pulled forward in this shot to expose the back a little more, so keep that in mind.
Jan 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm #1941930
In your first pic it doesn't "look" like you need any more length in the torso. The strap wrap looks good.
I think, as Ken said, that is the nature of load lifters on these types of packs.
The last picture throws everything off, FWIW.
You need to try one out loaded up…grab one from REI and test it out for 20-60 miles.
If it fits your gear, and doesn't pull your shoulders…that is, it transfers comfortably to your hips, then you are good to go.
-Mark in St. LouisJan 8, 2013 at 2:32 pm #1941934
Assuming the correct placement for the belt is having the iliac crest in the center of the belt, the second picture is a better representation of where the shoulder straps meet the pack, and where that corresponds to my shoulders. The first shoulder picture has the belt sitting ~1-2" higher than the second shoulder picture.
Oh, and like I said, my shoulders are pulled way forward in the last picture to get my shoulders off the pack, so you can see how far down the straps attach to the frame…that gap isn't normal.
Once the large gets here and I can load it with my gear (~28 lbs), I'll see if the belt is too big and go from there. I also emailed Osprey to see if they would make an Exos 58 with a large torso and medium belt.Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm #1941942
alan yorkBPL Member
@alanyork9Locale: PIEDMONT N.C.
Loosten the load lifters and tighten the shoulder straps.That thing might just fit OK.Lifters are way too tight now.Jan 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm #1941957
If this helps…
Large is an Exos 46, Medium is an Exos 58. They should have the same torso/waist size.Jan 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm #1941965
John GBPL Member
@johng10Locale: Mid-Atlantic via Upstate NY
Many of the granite gear packs have a removable hipbelt. You can order the other size from their website.Jan 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm #1942025
John, thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know that.
I'm still deciding between the Crown 60 and the Exos 58, but I'm thinking a Crown 60 with a long torso might be a better fit.
Crown 60 regular torso – almost fits, but I could use something a little longer
Crown 60 medium hipbelt tightened up all the way to make it fit. Not sure if a small would be a better option.
Jan 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm #1942226
@ken_bennettLocale: southeastern usa
The Exos Large looks too long in the torso. The Medium looks just about right. All this assumes that you are happy with the placement of the hip belt, and that you have a full load in the pack.Jan 9, 2013 at 12:48 pm #1942229
Yeah the hipbelt was great in that picture of the medium. The shoulder straps felt like they were digging into the front of my shoulders/upper chest. Any tips for alleviating that? I had ~28 lbs of gear in the pack (a little more than I would normally take, for good measure).
I think I'm trying too hard to compare it to my Gregory Baltoro 65.Jan 9, 2013 at 7:13 pm #1942341
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
When I moved from my old Gregory to an osprey Exos 46 a few years ago, I was puzzled by the hip belt placement. The Gregory belt goes around the iliac crests, whereas the osprey sits ON TOP of them…at your waist. It is not supposed to wrap around your pelvis but sit in top of it. Initially this felt wrong, like the pack was too short…but as soon as I took a hike with it I loved it.
Not sure if this is a woman thing or a Gregory vs Osprey thing. But play around with that…and you can't really tell until you load it up with real weight.
Good luck!!Jan 9, 2013 at 7:58 pm #1942358
@aerikssonLocale: Austin, TX
This is all pretty fascinating. At this point the only thing I'm sure of is that: A) I feel really fat seeing pics of someone cinching down a waist belt to damn-near it's minimum, and B) I wear my pack really low.
That said the medium Exos did look like it had the best shoulder pad fit but honestly I think it boils down to simply how it feels and carries. Everyone is different, really different. For me, they measured me in REI as a 19.5 but my large Exos is great because I simply can't stand wearing a hip-belt across the illiac ridge of my pelvis. Feels too high. Hurts my "slightly widened by fast food, size 38" gut. Places the load too high, which is to say, directly in line with where I have 3 herniated discs in my back. So as a result that ridge, for me, is about 1" higher than the top edge of the waist belt.
What I'm trying to say is, go hike. Do a couple overnights, see how things shake out. Maybe you'll be surprised. I kept trying to convince myself that, despite my body hurting and speaking to the contrary, that the the REI / forum folks MUST be right about hipbelt placement. Fast forward to me realizing I'm a unique and beautiful snowflake *sarcasm* and that if I break with convention a bit I'll get a better result, and now I'm thrilled with my (new) pack.
Whatever works!Jan 11, 2013 at 10:24 am #1942864
So this is what it comes down to – after trying on an Exos 48 and 56 in both medium and large, and a medium Granite Gear Crown 60, I've landed on going with a Crown 60 custom ordered with a small hipbelt and long torso. The Exos line doesn't fit me…at all.
BUT, I have not placed an order with Granite Gear yet, because I want to come and see if you guys have any suggestions, specifically with the ULA Ohm 2.0 or any other cottage pack that has the option of ordering different torso and hip belt sizes.
So fire away with options, but keep it simple. I've read reviews on each of these packs, so I'm more-so looking for recommendations by those who have used them and can make a real-life comparison, not a list of specs.
Here's what I need:
50-60 Liters max
35 lb. capacity if needed – normal loads will be 20-28 lbs.
I like stretch/mesh pockets on the exterior for tarp and rain gear
Options with support – removable stays/backpanel (or even Klymit Airbeam)
Near 32 oz.
Roll-top is great, but not necessary (lids are okay if the weight is low)Jan 11, 2013 at 10:34 am #1942869
The ULA Ohm 2.0 and the Crown will have similar load capabilities. 35lbs will be too much for both. Regardless, the OHM has an adjustable torso (up to 4", I believe) by moving the belt up or down. That alone would be the deciding factor for me to get an ideal fit. The Crown in Regular is really a short pack. If you have what many consider a medium torso around 18.5" or so, this pack will feel too short. The Long is too long. They are missing a size in between.Jan 11, 2013 at 11:05 am #1942872
Forgot to mention – I got measured at REI today by a knowledgable staff (finally) and I have a 21.5" torso and 31" waist. It puts me ever so conveniently in between most sizes…hence my trouble.
Good to know about the Crown in long. That counts it out.
The Ohm 2 is sounding more and more like what I need. How breathable is the back? I know it's nowhere near an Exos in that category, but is it pretty bad in the summer heat and humidity?
I'm also wondering what other adjustable cottage packs are out there that I haven't thought of.
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