Dec 31, 2012 at 1:44 pm #1297533
2013 is upon us !
Let's plan some amazing group trips for 2013.
I'm really eager to try out Alaska, and explore more of Yellowstone!
We're far enough out that we can book tickets for decent prices. I'm in California but I'm willing to fly anywhere within the US.
We also have *plenty* of time to do research.
Personally I'd like to explore more places which still have megafauna (grizzlies, elk, bison, etc).
– Alaska. Maybe a group trek doing around 100-150 miles over a 2 week period in Denali?
– Yellowstone. I went through the Lamar valley in summer 2012 and would like to explore more of the park. My takeaways are that you need to really research your route because a good portion of the park is barren / dry and there may not be any wildlife.
I think what we should do is pick 2-5 destinations and proposals for when we want to go … then maybe create threads for each one so people can collaborate on trip planning.
I did planning for Yellowstone last year so I have a pretty good idea of how to organize that one…
Onward!Jan 1, 2013 at 7:40 am #1939821
I could certainly be talked into the Thorofare or Gallatin Skyline/Sportsman's Lake routes in YNP or the Teton Crest in nearby Grand Teton NP. Let me know if I can help in planning. Thorofare is August-mid September, Gallatin late August, Teton Crest probably September.
RichardJan 1, 2013 at 12:03 pm #1939929
@coastiebobLocale: Wishing I was Backpacking
I would also be interested in Glacier and the Windrivers. Thanks for bringing up this thread!Jan 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm #1939969
OK… I'll look into those routes now… I'm going to pull out my map.
Have you been to Yellowstone before?
My takeaway from my first trip is that doing research prior can really help with finding an ideal trail/route.
The route we took into the Lamar Valley was VERY dry and without many trees so it was a bit like being in the African Savannah…
Here are my pics:
We saw a LOT of skulls. Probably 5 or so…
Ideally I'd like to at least hit a river so I can bring my rod and catch us dinner. I'm an avid fisherman and the rivers in Yellowstone are world famous.Jan 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm #1939972
I'm down for Glacier NP as well…Jan 1, 2013 at 6:17 pm #1940020
The Thorofare is considered one of the top cutthroat trout fisheries in the world. The other two routes I suggested, Gallatin Skyline and Teton Crest have little fishing. The Bechler River trail in Yellowstone's northwest corner is a gorgeous hike and great fishing too.
I've been to Yellowstone many times and now live close by, so I'm familiar with route and campsite planning. Last summer was very dry and on most routes in YNP water isn't a problem. Anything in Grand Teton NP requires careful attention to water sources.
Keep me posted on your plans.Jan 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm #1940025
OK. The Thorofare trail looks really nice … plenty of water, fishing, and great views.
Here's a good overview of it for other people reading this thread;
We should figure out the number of days for the trip. Probably 5 work days including two weekends for 9 days is ideal for most people.
I might personally take 2 weeks off and do a second week by myself.
The Bechler River Trail also looks nice…
but it's in the southwest (are we talking about the same one?)
I'm also down for 10-20 miles each day but not sure of the general fitness level of the group we should target.
I can do 5-10 per day if we are fishing :) Plenty of time on the water to catch dinner!Jan 2, 2013 at 7:21 am #1940139
Kevin, you are right; I misspoke, Bechler River is in the southwestern corner of the park. I believe that the Bechler is catch and release only. Not sure about Boundary Creek and Shoshone Creek, two tributaries with good fishing.
RichardJan 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm #1940714
I'm interested if its 5-10 Miles a day with moderate elevation gain.Jan 3, 2013 at 11:20 pm #1940723
@mwgillenwaterLocale: Seattle area
I would be in for Glacier NP or anywhere in Western Montana, but only can do July.Jan 4, 2013 at 6:20 am #1940742
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
The Bechler is a great place to fish. A variety of species, native and non, and you can keep and eat the non-native (and huge) rainbows in the lower reaches. With a car shuttle a big southern loop through the Bechler and over to the Thorofare and up along Yellowstone Lake is a great trip with fantastic fishing the whole way. Some potentially big river crossings and Grizz closures make it better later in the summer.
It'd be my pleasure to meet some BPLers and show them around Glacier. I'd recommend either embrace the snow (ice axe) and come in late June, or wait until September when the crowds have thinned. August is pretty Yosemite-style and thus a bit of a nuisance.Jan 4, 2013 at 1:48 pm #1940831
I was in YNP in July last year during the July 4th holidays and it was crowded. Although I just car camped and hiked few short trails. I would love to go back and get away from the crowds and go hike in the interior parts of the park.Jan 4, 2013 at 5:50 pm #1940873
@elf773Locale: Vancouver, BC
If you guys don't mind me tagging along, I'd be super stoked about anything in Montana or Wyoming, an extra huge bonus if it involves fishing.
As long as know a month in advance, I can come whenever. Great thread. Thanks.Jan 5, 2013 at 6:06 pm #1941065
Yeah… let's do it. Seems like there are 3 people showing interest… two of whom want fishing.
We're looking at two trails on the southern end of the park.
I'm game for either. I figure that my goal is to explore the entire park, so starting ANYWHERE is fine.Jan 5, 2013 at 6:08 pm #1941066
I have never been to Yellowstone or the Tetons and I'm dying…I mean DYING to go.
There, I said it. :)Jan 5, 2013 at 6:11 pm #1941068
We should probably create a thread JUST for Yellowstone.
Let's shoot for 9 days. 5 work days + two weekends.
Southern portion of Yellowstone, near rivers for fishing.
Should we shoot for spring or summer? I don't mind dealing with a bit of snow, especially if it is hot during the day.
I also found that the BEST way into the park from Jackson Hole is to hitchhike…Jan 5, 2013 at 6:43 pm #1941077
Come with us !!! I think you will be the fourth..
The Grand Tetons are amazing. The only downside is that the lake was very occupied while I was there.. It has a 'mall' feeling but once you're over the mountains it's great and very little people.
We could also create a thread for the Grand Tetons and / or Glacier NP …
Maybe we should just create the threads and allow people to jump in and plan the trips.
Maybe do them back to back so someone could do ALL of them?Jan 5, 2013 at 6:56 pm #1941079
I'm not that good in fishing, but have caught a trout here and there :-)
It would be nice if we can look for something like long weekends and take off from work for rest of the days. Not sure if spring is the right season if there is still lots of snow. Have to go when it is warm, flowers, blossoming not much snow on the ground and those lovely reddots (Bison calfs) running all around :-)Jan 5, 2013 at 10:24 pm #1941126
I think this is a good point. For the yellowstone trip we should try to figure out the ideal time to go…
The only downside I can think of a three day weekend is perhaps EVERYONE will have the same idea so a commute might be a bit more expensive.
But a 3+3+5 (11) day trip would rock.
It might also be possible to split it in half and make it back to the road so that another party could join up. Not everyone can take that long off from work.Jan 6, 2013 at 6:49 am #1941155
If the Bechler is part of the route, I strongly recommend early September at the earliest. The southwest corner of the Park is the lowest point in the Park and is boggy and buggy through August. Another consideration is that the campsites there tend to fill up quickly so if we choose that we should be ready to apply when the backcountry office begins taking reservations (mid-April).
I'd really like to include the Thorofare. As Dave pointed out, the later the better there too because of the fords.Jan 6, 2013 at 7:04 am #1941160
I could do 9 days…or less. I would be driving up from Denver. I'm flexible. I would prefer later in the year (not spring or early summer). July could be fun due to high wildflower season, but I have some work commitments that month that I would have to work around. September after kids are back to school sounds divine.
I love the idea of listening to Richard's advice, too.Jan 6, 2013 at 1:35 pm #1941235
OK… all this makes sense. I wonder if we should have TWO group Yellowstone trips. One spring and one summer…
in my experience this "on the ground" experience is really valuable.
so to recap, there (as yet) doesn't seem to be much interest in Alaska/Denali but significant interest in Yellowstone with some pressure to have an August/September time frame.
We have PLENTY of time here so perhaps create dedicated threads for each trip and see how the evolve.
We're also going to have to apply for the permits/camps.
How many of you are hammock campers? We weren't able to find a few of our camps in the outer sections of the park so having a hammock and improvising was required a few nights.
I generally HATE not following the rules but we literally COULD NOT find the camp site a few nights.
The outer sections of the park we were in literally were not marked and the trail vanished into nothing. We had to pull out the compass and orienteer a few times over about 7 miles until we got to the other end of the valley.Jan 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm #1941273
I'm in for a later in the year Yellowstone trip. would prefer Sept.
I'm not a hammock camper- I'm a wanna-be tarp camper.
I'm not a fisher person, but I'm happy to eat wild fish if it is presented to me. I'm also happy to sit in the sun and meditate while others fish.
As far as daily mileage- I could go 5-20 a day. No preference there.
I'm eating Paleo now, so I would bring my own food.
I'm happy to be involved in the backcountry permit process as needed.
I'm happy to carpool with anyone in the Denver area that is interested.
Let's do this!Jan 6, 2013 at 3:52 pm #1941280
I'm in for earlier Yellowstone trip. would prefer June.
I'm not a hammock camper- I'm a wanna-be tent camper.
I'm a fisher person, but I'm not sure if I can catch one, but will graciously accept and eat wild fish if it is presented to me.
As far as daily mileage- I could go 5-15 a day..
I'm happy for a group cooking plan and carry provisions for the group.
I can do some paper work too.
I have driven from Portland to YNP last year, its not bad if you have 2 drivers or break the journey into 2 parts. Heck I drove non-stop straight from YNP Portland on my return. But if there are no fellow Portlander's on the trip, I will fly to YNP (if the west YNP airport is open) or drive from Salt Lake City.
Let's do this!Jan 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm #1941533
Cracking me up…
my only reservation with a June trip is a lot of wet, muddy trails from snow melt. I've done a lot of postholing in my day and would prefer to avoid that. Also, wildflower peak in July, correct?
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