Ultralight 4 Season tents, some questions for “real” winter shelters

if saving weight is more important than saving money,
you might try the Mountain Hardwear Direkt 2.
its a true 4 season tent, single wall, a bit small, and very light.
no I don’t have one but have been trying to research it.
somewhat new on the market.

Direkt 2

Thanks for the link. I actually ruled out the Direkt as I need it to fit two (forgot to list that in my requirements), it looks like it can barely fit one… I had looked at the MH EV2, but it seems that is not a whole lot wider, and it also sounds like it has condensation issues in anything but dry alpine air.

Well, if your wife is your camping partner, I would suggest erring on the side of comfort. There's just way too much downside to do otherwise. I have been using a nallo 2 solo and like it. The double wall is quite a bit drier and warmer than a single wall. Being able to cook in the vestibule is a big plus as well. Still it's a bit small for two people and the headroom is too low for sitting up at the foot end. For the little bit of extra weight I would go with the nallo 3 which has better head room along with extra space.

PS If in doubt take an extra sleeping bag to throw over the both of you. A shivering woman is a dangerous woman. Good luck!

sorry- double post deleted

The problem with the Nallo, and with many Hilleberg tents, is its propensity to wet the foot of your sleeping bag due to the angle of the inner tent. Hilleberg actually recommends using a rain jacket over the foot of your sleeping bag to keep it dry from inner condensation. I got so tired of having a wet down bag-footbox that I went with the Keron which like the Kaitum has vertical end walls. Heavy as heck but it's home for long winter trips. With a criteria of 10 or 12 valuable tent needs, weight is only one of them and not the most important.

For bringing my wife Winter camping I bought a Kaitum 3 and she loves it :-)

I much prefer to carry a chainsaw and 10 gallons of gas in winter. I can knock up a wooden tipi in only 7 hours. Nice and snug at night. I once managed a 12 mile trip in only 14 days.

Mike, will this all fit in a Zpacks Zero? Where do I pack my 14 books to read? Book a day, I say.

Thanks for the helpful posts guys….

My concern with weight is that I pretty much expect to be lugging this around on my own, I don't want to purchase a seven pound three man alpine tent for $900 that is more than likely overkill for mild winter conditions I expect to encounter just to use with my wife when I can get something that will fit both of us snugly, but won't be ridiculous for for solo use. Sub 4 lbs may be difficult to ask, and as you can imagine if people recommend something better and heavier I'll consider it. I'm here to get advice and if my requirements are way off then they can be adjusted.

Books are so last year.
I carry the author to read to me every night.

I have a Zpacks hexamid long which I love but I would not use it in winter.
The ground is frozen so I want a free standing tent.
Also the cold is coming up from the ground so a winter sleeping pad.
Try going out a few times without your wife, see what the conditions are, no point in your both freezing.

Look at tarptent scarp or rainbow (not for severe conditions but better than a hexamid)

"I much prefer to carry a chainsaw and 10 gallons of gas in winter. I can knock up a wooden tipi in only 7 hours. Nice and snug at night. I once managed a 12 mile trip in only 14 days."

Dump the chainsaw and fuel and just carry a bowsaw and some cordage. It's all I ever used to build a tipi.

The gas can also be used in the trail bike i carried in. And the chainsaw is useful for powering the generator that warms the water in the jacuzzi.:-)

When solo, leave the vestibule home. There's a learning curve for condensation management, but it's not difficult to figure out. Properly guided out it will meet your wind resistance requirements and will handle snow loading. Many have used the bd light series of tents in a variety of situations and conditions with good results. I've had no problems with mine. I went with a lighthouse because of the square footage and length. It's a palace for one and two guys, each 6'2" and 200 lbs are cozy.

Good luck with your search.

I went through the same shopping exercise three years ago.

I rejected the BD single walled tents because I usually camp below tree line and sometimes there is very wet snow and even rain in winter. There are multiple reports and reviews of the BD single wall tents not standing up to heavy rain. They are designed for shelter during alpine ascents and the water proof breathable fabric can allow rain in.

Although I own an old Hilleberg Atko, that I bought on sale but the price has gone up in the last 7 years.

I know folks who use their 2P Nallos as a single person tent but I could not see my self spending that kind of money for another tent.

I found a Big Agnes String Ridge 2 on sale and think it is a great 5 lb tent for one or two persons. I posted a review in the review section of BPL. Ray Estrella who often posts here has a detailed review on the web. Both REI and Prolite Gear in Bozeman usually put the Big Agnes tents on sale in February. If you end up wanting a Hilleberg, Prolite Gear occasionally has the Nallos on sale and the HIlleberg USA site sells floor and demo models every now and then.

Your Requirements
Sub 4lbs => Big Agnes String Ridge is 5 lbs
able to take decent but not extreme snow loads (I may end up using this for more severe winter use later) => yes for the BigAgnes
Able to take winds up to 50mph with proper pitching => Yes to BigAgnes but this is the area where Hillberg tents shine
Fits 2 people without too much contact with the walls => Yes to BigAgnes
Vents well => My Hilleberg Akto does not vent all that well. Not sure about Nallos. The BigAgnes String Ridge has a big window at the opposite end of the door and vents well

Robert-

I too use a Hexamid (Solo-Plus) for most of my 3-season trips in the Southeast. My "winter" tent is a Scarp 1. I bring the optional crossing poles when high winds or snow is expected. IMO this is a solid winter tent in our part of the world. For you, a Scarp 2 would easily accomodate your wife plus gear; unlike with a 'mid, there would be no pole between the two of you.

The GoLite SL2 seems like a good option, especially for weight.

I use a Scarp 2, but have only used it on family trips in nice weather and rain. It makes a very roomy winter single wall tent when used without the liner. In high winds or heavy snow, you'll need the extra poles.

My current winter shelter is also my favorite 3 season shelter: a BA Copper Spur UL1. I used it last winter in the UP of Michigan anchored in 4 feet of snow and more coming down. (See photo to the left.) The snow slid right off the fly. A CS UL2 might work for your needs.

Also consider a MLD Supermid.

I'm using a golite SL2 as my winter snow camping shelter. I use just the tent part; no floor, netting, etc. I cut off and replaced the guyline webbing with thin guyline and tensioners instead, so that I can more easily pitch it tight to the ground and/or bury deadman anchors in deeper snow. In the stuff sack, the SL2 weighs about 21oz. My trekking poles are the supports for the tent.

It's a great shelter for one person for snow camping. I think it'd be too tight for 2 in all but an emergency with trying to avoid condensation on the tent walls and accounting for any sag in the walls due to snow loading.

For 2 people, take a look at some of the larger mids out there, like the Golite SL3 or the MLD supermid or BD's version of a mid. Plenty of room, good performance in wintry weather, and well under your weight limit for the tent itself. A piece of tyvek or polycyro groundsheet or similar items make a suitable floor. With enough room in the shelter, you don't need to worry about brushing up against the condensation on the inner tent walls, and when it's really cold, the condensation just freezes to the tent walls anyway.

^ this is the route I went as well, not a Golite pyramid, but a MLD Duomid- handles all but the very worst of wind and snow loads, use a Tyvek groundsheet for a floor, trekking or ski poles for support

ton of room for one, plenty of room for a couple

add a inner net and you're set for four seasons

In the cheap category is the rei asl cirque 2.

5lbs, fabric inner, pole sleeves, 2 doors, pitches with fly attached. I dont own one but am thinking about getting one. Another poster on this site just bought one.