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PostedOct 31, 2012 at 11:06 am

Hello all, im trying to get my clothing together for my 2013 pct thru and have some questions.
I already own a patagonia nano puff and a montbell ex lite down jacket. I thru hiked the AT with the nano puff as my insulation layer and was dissapointed by its warmth. Too hot to hike in and not warm enough in camp(even with baselayer, windlayer, and hardshell). So im determined to have and insulation layer that is a warm hug when in camp for this pct hike. I used the ex lite down jacket on a recent fall hike and realized that it would not cut it either. So i feel i am left with two options to choose from.
1) Buy a warmer down jacket in the 8-10 oz range( WM hooded flash, rab ultra down pullover, nunatak, and so on). But i really DO NOT want to spend the money!
2) Take the nano puff and exlite down jacket. What i like about this combo is that they happen so fit perfectly with each other(baselayer exlite then nanopuff fit together like a glove). This combo would also offer a bit more versitility. I really like this combo b/c i already own them($$$) but not liking the weight so much compared with option 1.

If i knew for sure that the nanopuff and exlite down combo would be as warm or pretty close to as warm as a high quality and expensive down jackets like i mentioned in option 1 i would take the weight penalty and save my money.

assuming my other upperbody clothing consists of baselayer windlayer rainlayer…

For those of you responding, tell me what you would do AND try and tell me which option would be warmer and by how much. Dont have the time to test this out myself this winter, thankyou.

Oh and BTW i know i could get by with just the nano puff or just the exlite no prob but this thru hike is going to be comfort while still being pretty darn lite.

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedOct 31, 2012 at 11:34 am

If I wore those two layered properly I say they would be warm to about 35F-40F if wearing sufficent headwear and leg coverings.

I say the two items would be as warm as each other.

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedOct 31, 2012 at 11:50 am

I like the 100g type synthetic puffies for cold camp use. I use a Power Stretch hoodie or vest as a mid layer with a windshirt that provides as much or more insulation as the Nano Puff and the combo is more versatile and breathable. The Nano Puff is a handy-dandy layer for 3-season day hike CYA, but I agree that it just isn't enough insulation when it is cold in camp.

If you are using mid layer and windshirt, try adding a puffy vest. A vest gives good core warmth with smaller volume, less weight, and costs less too. If using down, you could carry a vest that is twice the loft for about the same weight as a jacket of lesser loft.

PostedOct 31, 2012 at 3:10 pm

I just can't seem to be at peace with carrying two puffys although the ex lite is pretty dang lite and the nano puff under 12 (together 17ish). But this costs me no money , itll be somwhat versitile, and most important, should be plenty warm. I also know I have to pack space. Other than the weight of of the combo I see lots of positives but just want to make sure im not missing anything or that for some sceintific reason a synthetic over a puffy isnt as warm as common sense would seem to think. Thanks

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedOct 31, 2012 at 3:20 pm

If the outer garment isn't big enough, it'll compress the inner garment making it less warm.

Maybe, if the down is on the inside, it will get compressed more and lose warmth. Synthetic on the inside will retain it's loft better.

Maybe, especially if it's real cold – like in the midwest in the winter, if the down is on the outside, that is where water vapor will reach the freezing point and form an ice layer and since it's down, will be more effected by being wet, if the outer layer was synthetic you'de be better off

Steve Meier BPL Member
PostedOct 31, 2012 at 3:20 pm

I have both of those jackets and usually take the Nano. I also use a Patagonia Houdini windshirt and take a rain jacket. Put all three on and I can stay very warm through virtually anything, especially if hiking. If it is colder than that it is normally nite and I am toasty under my quilt. So rather than take two puffys I would take a versatile windshirt and rain jacket and layer all three if necessary. All serve a different function when used separately as well, unlike carrying two puffys.

PostedOct 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm

You put your windjacket under your nano and rain jacket over nano right?

I may stick with that combo and add the 6 oz ex lite as needed. (sierras washington)

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