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Sleeping bag w/o open baffles?

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Steve Meier BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm

I need some input. I recently took my new Enlightened Revelation X 30 degree quilt to the Smokeys and spent the last (third) night in a shelter just below Clingman's Dome. The wind was strong and the temps dropped to about 40 degrees. Wind chill would have been lower due to the wind. I absolutely froze my ass off and needed to put on every stitch of clothing I had with me (two shirts, windshirt, puffy and rain gear) to finally get warm enough to fall asleep. In the morning I held the quilt up to the sunlight and saw that all of the down had moved to the edges from the previous two nights. Is this normal? Do I really need to somehow shake the down back to the top/middle of the quilt every time I use it in order to maintain its 30 degree rating? This will drive me nuts if so. Are there quilts/bags out there with closed baffles to eliminate the down shifting so significantly?

PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:19 pm

You'll need to shake that down into place when you go to sleep. In some cases, it works its way down to the sides again if you move around when you sleep, and you have to do it again.

This happens with lightweight quilts or bags that have just enough down to loft the baffles, and aren't very full of down in order to keep the weight low.

You might contact Tim and ask for an overfill modification to your quilt, so that the down stays more evenly distributed.

PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm

The original Golite 20 quilts had closed baffles. I have one. I hate those closed baffles, mostly because it doesn't have enough down to be warm anywhere near 20°F and those baffles make it extremely difficult to add down without destroying those baffles or cutting open the shell over each baffle.

PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:24 pm

What's the big deal with shaking down into the center every night? It takes a few seconds and the shaking helps loft the down.

PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Tim would probably close the baffles if you asked. I don't have the sewing knowledge to know if it could be done with a finished bag.

Steve Meier BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Y'know, I guess I didn't expect the down to migrate so easily and so quickly. It sounds like the expectation is that you just shake it toward the middle every night it's being used, huh? Not a big deal I suppose, just surprising to me, and not something I particularly want to do after hiking all day, getting into camp after sunset, and hardly having the energy to make dinner, let alone try to get the down back into place in the dark. So it sounds like this is normal, which is the answer to my question.

PostedSep 26, 2012 at 1:04 pm

It's why most people opt for the overstuff on custom made quilts/bags in my opinion.

Dustin Short BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Yeah, an overstuff definitely solves this problem. But without that it should only take folding the quilt in half, grabbing the edges and giving the quilt a couple of good shakes as you're setting up camp to compensate. Shouldn't be too much effort even when overly tired (I just remember that a few seconds of "pain" at the end of a long day is ALWAYS better than a cold sleepless night).

Steve Meier BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 5:38 pm

Thanks for the input, guys. Nice to know that its normal, not a big deal, and I need to just make it part of my routine before laying my head down.

Here There BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Definitely normal. I've had this happen on bags and quilts, just depends on how much down per baffle and how the baffles are spaced.

Regardless of whether I'm using a quilt or bag I fluff it by shaking it a little after I unpack it when setting up camp, and sometimes again right before bed just for kicks. It's not something I even think about anymore, just part of the routine.

-David

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm

It's a catch twenty two situation really, having no side block baffles allows down to be redistributed in warm weather and for a cheaper lower weight bag, side block baffles keep the down better in place but add a bit more weight and cost (not by much though)

Tim Marshall BPL Member
PostedSep 26, 2012 at 7:55 pm

If you dont want to mess with it get ahold of me and we can overstuff it easy enough.

-Tim

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