Sep 4, 2012 at 10:32 am #1293696
Since the Hardrocks have been discontinued, what works for you now? I have had two pair of them, the last now is the '09 models, that fit me perfect, right out of the box. I used them for the first time, two years ago on a solo trip to the Winds. What other styles or brands are you using now when you had to switch, assuming you have had to buy another set of trail runners. I wear a 10.5, did the size carry over to what you are using now? I see my current pair took a good beating in the Sequoia NP a month ago, bping in the Mono Creek area for 6 nights, this being the third season for them. They are breaking out where my foot hinges in front of the laces. I also wear Smartwool Trekking socks.
DuaneSep 4, 2012 at 11:05 am #1908986
@adamallstarLocale: Central Texas
I have a pair of the older hardrocks and had a hard time finding a replacement, I picked up a pair of the Montrail rogue racer and that worked really well for me on a recent hike. They're more of a 'minimalist' design and I don't think they'll last quite as long as my hardrocks did. YMMVSep 4, 2012 at 11:27 am #1908991
this is hilarious to say the Rogue Racers are a replacement for the old Hardrocks.
like replacing combat boots with house slippers :-)Sep 4, 2012 at 11:43 am #1908993
The closest I have found are The Montrail AT Plus:
Not exactly the same, but similar in character, stiff sole, slightly wide fit, a little heavy compared to most trail running shoes. Not really even a running shoe, sort of between a running shoe and a boot.
I have one pair of old Hardrocks that is worn but still wearable, and I bought a pair of the AT Plus this spring and have been using them all summer.Sep 4, 2012 at 11:45 am #1908994
Supposedly the Sabino Trail was the replacement to the Hardrock. They are discontinued as 2011 models and I see them on clearance at several places.Sep 4, 2012 at 11:48 am #1908995
@adamallstarLocale: Central Texas
They do feel a bit dainty compared to the hardrocks =)Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 pm #1909004
Thanks for the thread…Mine are sadly underused and will probably last me another year or so, but they're the only hiking shoes I've ever had that were perfect right out of the box.Sep 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm #1909072
Thanks Tom, that was a option I was looking for too, a discontinued model to save a few bucks. More stove collecting money. :)
DuaneSep 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm #1909155
@hikinggrannyLocale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
The 2007 women's Hardrocks were a perfect fit for me and had exactly the right amount of support, but since then, forget it. Boo to Columbia Sportswear! When the Hardrock was discontinued, I tried both the AT Plus and Sabino Trail in women's, but both were too wide in the heel for me (my heel actually slipped right out of the AT Plus with laces fully tightened at the top). I since have switched to New Balance W1012 running shoes, which at least fit me perfectly and provide the support I need. I wish they had a deeper tread, though. None of NB's trail runners use their SL-2 last (narrow heel, high arch, wide and high forefoot), which I need for fit, and only one model (with the standard last, no help) has motion control, which I also need because I pronate badly. I'm therefore basically stuck with the road-running shoes. Fortunately NB has deepened the tread a bit on these so they're not as slick as they used to be.
I was told by my podiatrist that my pronation problems, plus insufficient stretching, probably were a big cause of the plantar fasciitis that has kept me off my feet for most of this year's hiking season, and that wearing the old somewhat worn, 5-year-old Hardrock shoes (shoe ingredients lose their cushioning ability with age, even in the box, he claimed) probably also contributed. He insisted I get a new pair of shoe–and new orthotics–at least once a year, preferably twice, and discard the old ones or, at the most, use them for gardening. So much for buying up shoes before the models change! At least New Balance, so far, keeps the same lasts even though they change the shoe models from year to year.
How this info transfers to the men's shoes, I can't say. You may have better luck finding what you need in a good running shoe store rather than at REI or other outdoor stores.Sep 5, 2012 at 5:55 am #1909220
I found some Sabino's for $49 plus shipping last night. STP has some at $20 more.
DuaneSep 7, 2012 at 1:56 pm #1910145
After a lot of research, I settled on the Inov-8 Roclite 320s, which became the 319s and then the 309s, if memory serves. The last was similar to the Hardrocks; the dual density midsole worked for my pronation–which wasn't as severe as Mary D's. The combination of the plantar bands and the four arrow cushion gave me sufficient protection from rocks, after I spent some transition time with day hikes.
Alas, Inov-8 is discontinuing all four arrow cushioning, so look for closeouts at reduced prices. Wishful thinking: perhaps if enough of us emailed Inov-8 to point out that mimimal cushioning may work for mimimist trail running, but not as well for hours of hiking with a backpack, they might bring back the four arrow cushioning and market it as a lightweight hiking shoe.
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