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Sep 5, 2012 at 6:54 am #1909231
there is no unobtainium here …
the warmth of the a down jacket is simply a function of the quality of down, the amount, the fit and perhaps the baffles, though in this case with this little down im not sure that matters as much
a jacket with 2.8 oz of down wont be any warmer than one with 4 oz of roughly the same fill power all other things being equal … despite any price or name ..
for the weight it does contain a large % of down at 40% … whether thats worth the price is up to you
my $50 eb down vest is my most used piece of gear and its still in perfect condition despite wearing it every day ;)
Sep 5, 2012 at 3:12 pm #1909389Taylor- I'd also echo the thanks for clearing this up :)
I've been looking at a WM Flash jacket for a couple of years, something w/ a little more "oomph" than my Ex-Lite and a hood, I can never find one on sale- the Whisperer looks like it specs out very close (even a little lighter) and I'm sure there will be some sales here and there- MSRP they come out the same, but it's very tough to find WM on sale, no so w/ MH
Mike
Sep 5, 2012 at 3:33 pm #1909398Compared to the Patagonia UL down hoody its way way way more lofty (850 vs 800 fill?). Its actually more puffy than I was thinking, but not super puffy obv. The Fit is a little more relaxed, so dont size up.
One thing I like is the simplicity of the hem cinch around the waist, on the right its a single pull and its shockcorded so it stretches. Also I like the baffles, they seem to work well. Now I just need to go camping at high elevation where its actually cold!
After I trimmed of the tags (.08oz?) my medium stuffed into its own pocket weighs 7.2oz.
Sep 5, 2012 at 3:43 pm #1909403If that has more loft than the Patagonia, then the Patagonia must be completely flat.
Sep 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm #1909404would you mind commenting on the fit of the hood? does it have any adj? also any inside storage pockets?
thanks
Sep 5, 2012 at 3:48 pm #1909406I am not here to try and sell it to you, if you dont like it then good for you.
The fit of the hood is pretty tight once zipped up I think, it has elastic and I think it will stay on prettygood. Just 2 hand pockets.
Sep 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm #1909418Post purchase rationalization?
Seriously though, there is hardly any loft. Since you say the Patagonia has much less loft could you post a picture of your Patagonia? The BPL Cocoon Hoody at 9.9 oz in XL has more visible loft and it has synthetic insulation. I wonder if that is why the MH is so light, apart from the wafer thin fabric…it has very littl fill.
Sep 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm #1909423thanks
it has about the same fill as the WM Flash, a jacket that has received numerous high marks from many of the reviewers from this site (and other sites)
I don't think this is intended as a "winter" jacket, like the MB Ex-Lite and UL Parka, WM Flash (others)- rather a light, compact insulating layer for "summer"- w/ near 3 oz of 850 fill- it should fill that niche quite well
Sep 5, 2012 at 5:24 pm #1909440I looked at the hooded flash this is what I got.
Also the MB UL parka,Average Total Weight 9 oz.
Average Fill Weight 3 oz.The MH ghost has like .25 less fill.
Heres more specs:
Montbell UL Down Parka (2.5 / 9.5 / 26%)
Western Mountaineering Hooded Flash (3 / 9 / 33%)
Montbell Alpine Light Parka (4.3 / 15 / 29%)
Marmot Ama Dablam (4.4 / 19 / 23%)
Rab Microlite Alpine (5 / 14 / 36%)
Golite Bitterroot (5.3 / 13 / 41%)
Golite Roan Plateau (5.8 / 19 / 31%)
Western Mountaineering Meltdown (6.5 / 17 / 38%)
Rab Neutrino Endurance (8 / 22 / 36%)
Rab Infinity (7 / 16 / 44%)Sep 5, 2012 at 5:34 pm #1909444So the Ghost for its class (UL) prettymuch crushes everything else in weight vs fill weight.
2.8 / 7.2 = %39
Sep 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm #1909454Are you going to post a pic of your Patagonia or not?
Sep 5, 2012 at 6:07 pm #1909456I had one for a few hours and returned it.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:04 pm #1909473I know you were asking Michael but if you really are interested, this is what the Patagonia down sweater hoodie looks like for thickness. It is rather flat- I measured it's loft at 1" on average across the jacket when laid out as seen here. The bottom of the jacket puffs up a lot- that's not where I was measuring. I was measuring various spots across the body and sleeves. This is brand new and only worn once so far so it hasn't lost any loft.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm #1909474So very similar based on the pics and the MH is not considerably more lofty. Actually looks the same. Same price?
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:11 pm #1909475Keep in mind the orange jacket weighs 15.2 oz.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:23 pm #1909482"So very similar based on the pics and the MH is not considerably more lofty. Actually looks the same. Same price?"
Different jackets, but FWIW:
Patagonia Down Sweater hoodie, men's: 98 grams (3.46 oz) of 800 fill down. 15.2 oz overall weight of jacket. Retails about $50 cheaper than the MH. Depending on size/color, you can find it for $175. Yesterday you could have bought the MH for just over $200. Now the cheapest I'm seeing it, depending on size/color, is $250.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:25 pm #1909483Looks great for a 7 ounce jacket. I'm not as worried about loft as long as it has as much down as MH says it has.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:27 pm #1909484Aha, so the pics of this Patagonia is not the same that Michael had been comparing. At 15 oz it is no comparison in any event.
Sep 5, 2012 at 7:34 pm #1909485"Looks great for a 7 ounce jacket. I'm not as worried about loft as long as it has as much down as MH says it has."
Okee dokee.
Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 pm #19094993.0 oz of 900 fill down, average weight of 9.2 ounces. $275.
Sep 6, 2012 at 1:27 am #1909562"If that has more loft than the Patagonia, then the Patagonia must be completely flat."
"Are you going to post a pic of your Patagonia or not?"
"Post purchase rationalization?"
"Okee dokee."
David, have you added anything to this conversation by assigning yourself the role of thread curmudgeon? Have you gained anything? Seriously.
Sep 6, 2012 at 3:42 am #1909565From what I've observed lately, that's Dave's MO. Frankly, I like the idea of a hooded jacket that should be warmer than an R1 hoodie. It may not take sweat like a fleece, but if that's what you're looking for, then you'd be looking in the wrong place. There may be an exception that already been mentioned–hydrophobic down. I can't wait to see what comes next season. MEC already has a light Downtek jacket, but it's not a hoodie.
Sep 6, 2012 at 7:43 am #1909598"David, have you added anything to this conversation by assigning yourself the role of thread curmudgeon? Have you gained anything? Seriously"
I didn't want to get into a discussion with Eugene as to his comment that had no merit.
To wit, he said that as long as MH says that their jacket has 2.7oz of down, he could care less about the loft. Because he is ignoring the basis for warmth, differential cut, size of jacket, baffle design, etc, I simply said okee dokee.
Now, regarding the post by Michael indicating that the MH had way more loft. I quote, "Compared to the Patagonia UL down hoody its way way way more lofty (850 vs 800 fill?)." This simply needs to be backed up. My comment regarding the picture of the MH having little loft is true. And my connection to the Patagonia being almost completely flat is also true. It would have to if the MH had 'way, way way' more loft.
I don't have a problem with people posting generalizations, but some 'back up' would be nice. Without being able to compare BOTH jackets side by side, how can such comments be made?
Sep 6, 2012 at 7:49 am #1909599I have been ignoring your needles towards me but you are obviously a troll that won't quit. I reported you to a moderator.
The fact is I had the pata UL hoody and comparing the two I based my opinion off that. What have you contributed? Don't answer that actually just stay away.
Sep 6, 2012 at 8:31 am #1909611Please, report away. I have done nothing here that is wrong except to state my view on the jacket and ask you to provide back up to your claims.
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