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1kg 60l pack;GG Nimbus vs. “Quantum”

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PostedMar 7, 2007 at 1:03 am

I think I just found a serious competitor for the well-respected Granite Gear 60 liter Nimbus series (N.Meridian and N.Ozone) packs- The Black Diamond Quantum. Unlike the GG's, it can be reversibly stripped down to 910 grams for the 65 liter version. That is an amazing 71 liters per kilo of empty weight. The waist belt etc. can be restored when carrying heavy gear is necessary. Essentially, it is two packs in one and could replace both my apline pack (REI Pinnacle) and my extended trip pack (GG N. Ozone).

The Quantum has the all-important (to me) top AND panel access, removable lid, and an upside down tear-drop shape that I prefer to the GG 'gonad sack' shape (forgive me, ladies..)

With four compression straps, the user could carry all base camp gear in the 1.74kg, 65 liter configuration, cinch down two straps on one side for a 910 gram 40 liter pack, cinch both sides for a 910 gram 20 liter lidless ascent pack, or just carry essentials on a day hike in the removable lid. I believe I would appreciate this versitility if I could replace a few packs in my arsenal with this one item.

I waited months for Granite Gear to release the Nimbus Meridian, and already sold my Nimbus Ozone in preparation to buy the NM.. Now I am about to buy the Quantum instead. I hope to try it on fully loaded first if I can find it here.

Anyone have this pack, or can load it out and check it out next trip to a dealer?
Thanks.
Black Diamond Quantum

PostedMar 7, 2007 at 10:25 am

Brett, Like yourself I prefer the upside down teardrop shape, and top loading features in a pack. My favorite pack to date is from MountainSmith's, 'MountainLight Series' of packs. It's called the 'Phantom', is 2600cu with removable top lid, and has 4 side compression straps/2 per, and a removable waistbelt for summit attempts.

I used this pack for my Thru Hike of the VT Long Trail a few years back; and could'nt understand why other hikers were amazed that I was thru hiking with such a tight kit. I have an extra one for sale if anyone is interested, as mine has'nt shown excessive wear in 3 years of hard use.

Not to be confused with the later MS pack also named the 'Phantom' but in a much taller profile and 3600cu or some such.

PostedMar 7, 2007 at 4:35 pm

I too think the Quantum may be perfect- so long as it has good helmet space. I have yet to see one, but am determined to load one up.
If someone can get ahold of one, please try to note how "stripable" the pack is (sorry about the choice of terms). How easy is it to remove the frame for climbing? This CAN be done with many packs, but I'm looking for a pack that does allows for it with cold hands and limited space.

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedMar 7, 2007 at 7:37 pm

Brett – I thought I could give both a try and let you know — if a local store carries them. Unfortunately, REI doesn't carry either one. :(

PostedMar 7, 2007 at 8:09 pm

I compared the Quantum and the N.Meridian side by side yesterday; answers in a moment..
Gene, I also own a Mountainsmith; the Sting45. It would be the perfect mid-size alpine pack for me, but for one critical flaw. The straps were constructed laying flat, then curved for assembly, instead of being pre-curved and assembled. Thus, there is a bulge of high-density strap material on the concave surface of the strap, right where the weight-bearing surface contacts my shoulder. This is very painful, and unacceptable. This can actually be seen in retail photos of the pack, as shown below; I just didn't notice it before buying, unfortunately. Also, the nylon straps below the padded part; the part which goes through buckles to lengthen the straps is way too short. Im only 170 lbs or so (that's pounds, Ben..), but the straps are all the way out if I'm wearing layers. Minor flaws which Mountainsmith could have easily anticipated and fixed. I emailed them twice and got no reply. The seller will take the pack back for a refund.
.mountainsmith strap underside bulge; ouch.

Michael, last night I went to Sakaiya sports in Jimbocho Tokyo and spent about 30 minutes annoying the staff by stripping the 55 liter version of the Quantum (goes by a different name here), as well as the GG Nimbus Meridian and Meridian Vapor. I also loaded up each with about 5kg. Long story short, I'm going with the Nimbus Meridian. Here's a short comparison:

"Strippability"
The Quantum strips very easily, takes about 30 seconds total. The waist belt is held in with some velcro, and the T shaped frame is held in with a couple velcro tabs. The crampon straps are removable by rotating a ring so it goes through another ring sideways (under tension of normal use it would not fall out). The lid is held on with 4 side-release buckles.
What I learned is that the GGs also strips very easily! The lid comes off with 4 buckles, and the waist belt can be unscrewed once, then held on only with velcro for install-removal cycles. The frame can not be removed, but actually the tepex frame is one of the best features of the pack; Id leave it in for comfort.
Weight of both stripped packs is roughly comparible, to within 100grams (GG heavier).

Panel Access
All three packs are top/panel loaders; BUT, what I learned is the GG packs open up along the front like a gutted fish. The BD packs only open a slit shaped cut along the side. After using panel access packs, the size of this opening makes a big difference on how I pack, and how I use my gear. I strongly prefer the opening used by GG, and since the other features were similar, that sold me on the GG.

Top access
The drawstring on the top of the GG pack slid open and closed smoothly and easily. It is easily rolled down for waterproofness if going lidless. The BD string got totally caught in the sticky Dimension Polyant laminated fabric. I could not smootly close the top. This would be a problem when going lid-less in the rain. I suppose replacing the nylon cord with slippery dyneema or similar might solve this problem. Why didn't BD test this!! No excuse.

Comfort
No one beats GG on comfort IMO, BD came close, but after experiencing my Nimbus Ozone 'disappear' on my back; that leans me to expecting the same from the N.Meridian. The Quantum was comfortable enought that this was not a deciding factor either way.

Size variability
Both packs have four compression straps, and so can be cinched down to about 2/3, or 1/3 the max volume. I prefer the shape of the BD, but not to the extent of buying it for that reason.

Im going with the GG Nimbus Meridian.

Meridian Vapor shown here in the gutted fish configuration. Staff would not let me take pictures, so I got only this one..
granite gear meridian vapor panel access

Ben, no need to delete your comment; that was interesting that another country in Asia actually uses the English system?? But as an engineer I prefer the decimal neatness of SI units. Makes spreadsheets and comparisons so much easier. I suppose America will never switch over; but when dealing with the rest of the world, SI is so much easier. Quick, how many lbf for a British metric ton at 2gs? Heck if I know..

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedMar 7, 2007 at 8:40 pm

Hey:

I deleted my earlier comment because it was really just meant for you — and you have read it.

Good analysis on the GG pack above.

PostedMar 8, 2007 at 11:20 am

Brett, Most excellent reveiw post on those three packs for the Team! Nice covert pic!

I can see where a full length opening zipper on the pack back could be of benefit on a larger 3500cu+ pack. I wonder if the zipper ran across from one top corner to the opposite bottom corner, that the access would be hindered? I also wonder if the structural integrity of the pack would benefit from such a zipper change?

I just checked my MS Phantom's shoulder straps, and saw that they have a bit of what you were referring to as 'bunching' but not enough to feel it. I think the straps on mine may be thinner than yours, hence the difference.

PostedMar 9, 2007 at 3:42 pm

Thank you for the great information Brett- answered many questions. Interestingly, I was looking at the MS Sting for ice cragging- good to know about the straps as I would likely have missed it until I used it a bit.

PostedMar 10, 2007 at 5:47 am

Gene, the zipper on the GGs is vertical as you know, and two horizontal straps keep tension off the zipper when the pack is full. Without those straps the zipper might burst open. (the way I load my pack).

Michael; maybe each Sting45 pack is different, and mine was worse than most. And maybe Im a wimp and a hardman wouldn't even notice the strap pad bunching up. And maybe it would have softened over time. All I know Is at the end of a 9 hour hike I ached like I was back humping a large A.L.I.C.E. pack in the Army. Along with the too-short straps; I just cant keep the pack when so many better options are out there.

If you dont need the huge panel access, and a small side zipper will sufice, that Quantum is a great pack which strips quickly to about 1kg..

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