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know anything about “ethical” gear, materials, fuels, etc?

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PostedAug 16, 2012 at 11:34 pm

I’m interested in learning more about options for “ethical” gear. By this I mean things like materials, gear-making companies, production/harvesting methods, etc that have a better-than-average environmental impact, contribute to safer working conditions, are easier on the animals involved, are beneficial (or minimize harm) to factory towns or to the human communities affected by any associated resource extraction, etc.

This has come to mind lately while I’ve been experimenting with different stoves and wondering which fuel was the lesser evil, and also while doing a MYOG project with a synthetic insulation material that seemed to be releasing something into the nearby air that, when I breathed in, felt like I was breathing in millions of tiny daggers. (Got me wondering about people who work with it every day in factories; hopefully there is some proper way to handle the material and the workers are trained likewise.) Also, with "green" being "in" these days, it's hard to tell what's significant and what's hype. On a positive note, if some company IS doing something to offer gear that's better for the forests and hills and rivers that are the reason I'm purchasing said gear in the first place, I'd like to know.

If anyone has knowledge in this area, big or small, I would love to hear it.

I hope this is a Friendly discussion— I’m not interested in arguing whether these kinds of things should or should not be important to anyone else, it's just a personal interest of mine. I was going to post this in the “Philosophy & Technique” forum, but thought it would get more traffic here; I wouldn't want to miss someone's insights. But if folks think it’s too political for the Gear forum I’ll move it.

Thanks!
Emily

PostedAug 17, 2012 at 12:08 am

Keeping in mind that all UL equipment is created using toxic, non sustainable, industrially generated petrochemicals that are twisted into various fabrics like nylon, dyneema, and various other synthetics, and those are made in huge industrial plants that then source them to smaller companies. With the exception of down, which I assume comes from industrial down farms or whatever you call a goose raising operation.

So on the top level, you're talking heavy duty earth destroying industrial processes, all totally non-sustainable.

As Roger in the past has noted, to be clear, cotton is no better when you deal with agribusiness and industrial farming techniques, because of how and where it's now grown. Used to use slave labor, if you recall, now it's all machines etc.

So it's probably best to not think too much about the raw materials. That leaves the people who create the products, if I can, I'll pick US based ones that produce locally over corporate chains any day of the week or year.

For fuels, if you skip past the myths, alcohol is almost exclusively produced from agribusiness corn, which is this weird inedible strain of corn, which uses very close to the same amount of energy that it contains in the end ethanol product, mainly derived from natural gas, for fertilizer, insecticides, tractors, and so on, while the conversion plants create the heat as well usually with natural gas. So it's a tossup, directly consuming non replaceable natural gas or white coleman type fuel, or use indirectly consumed diesel, natural gas and topsoil strip mining to create 'green' alcohol, aka, ethanol. Wood alcohol is a different process, not up on those details. I pick the alcohol because it's just so pleasant to use out there, so silent. And you can make your own stove out of cans.

On the downside, using land to create fuel corn drops global corn supplies, and has ripple results, like some fairly recent riots in Mexico caused by dramatic price increases in corn. Also some small disturbances in the mid east you might have heard of were triggered at least in part by hikes in food, mainly grain, prices, hikes created again, at least in part, by mandates to switch to 'sustainable' fuels.

UL footwear is 100% disposable, no resoling going on here, and I believe it's almost all made in sweat shops, mostly in Asia. Probably best to look for 'ethical' elsewhere.

I worry more about my personal overall footprint than a few pounds of nylon, and that's what matters to the overall environment, your day to day life. Driving, for example, as a perfect example, uses roughly my total lifetime consumption of backpacking gear by weight of fuel consumed roughly every tankful. Quite a bit more, actually, but we'll call it a tankful to keep it simple. That helps put things into a better perspective I think. One car tire probably has the same or more weight of all my gear, both are made from petrochemicals. Cars themselves, and the roads they require, another huge impact, probably the biggest of all I'd guess.

Everything shipped from Asia comes in huge container ships, that burn exceedingly vile and dirty bunker fuel, so the global supply chains are hardly 'green' by any stretch of the imagination.

Personally, I want to support real people running real companies, local if I can, or at least local to the US via the internet, and when I look at most of my gear now, I'm happy to see that a big chunk of it is now local cottage type stuff. I can't solve the industrial problems, but I can support good people making good stuff in an ethical way, and that's cottage industry, unless they get lazy and start to outsource to asia, of course, then there's no real difference as far as I'm concerned, nor is there any particular reason to buy from them at that point.

The only 'green' product I've found so far is Sawyer Squeeze filter, it filters 40k times more than a set of aquamira, and 5000 times more than a katadyne hiker pump filter.

Titanium isn't too bad either, for pots and such, it should last a lifetime, so that's not terrible, so at least it's not disposable junk. I have zero idea of how it's mined, where or anything else, though.

So the only real place you can find ethics in my opinion is where you have individuals running companies directly, employing real people locally. Guys like Lawson, who tries to source everything here, for example, or the Enlightenment quilt guys, who have all production done by local sewers. I think tarptent does that too.

PostedAug 17, 2012 at 12:14 am

I stared a project a while ago like this. My idea was to make a kit that contained only sustainable materials, more specifically petroleum free.
The project lost its momentum and remains largely in my note book. It took up a lot of time and I already had conventional UL gear that still works and will continue too for years to come.
I began by looking at traditional pre-nylon/plastic gear to see what was used in the past. Then I tried to see if I could update them with modern designs and even sustainable non petroleum based modern materials.
I know its clearly possible and there are a lot of ways to approach it. The question is just what the weight would actually be for the whole kit and how would some of my ideas actually work out if at all.
I have a list of materials that are sustainable and "should" work.
I haven't obtained all of them because the most useful high quality stuff seems difficult to buy in small quantities for home use. Some are easily obtainable and work very well for what I intend .
off the top of my head:
-hemp canvas ( can easily get wet but can be treated and is very durable and strong)
-bamboo frames ( self explanatory)
-silk thread
-metal buckles
-cork granules (for padding in the straps)
-sheep shearling ( also a possible strap padding material)
-down
-silk with down proof weave ( 2.5 -3 oz seems to be the lightest down proof weight of silk Ive found and I don't know how to get it for home use.)
-wood for utensils
-silk for stuff sacks
-high thread count cotton a.k.a. Egyptian cotton. ( can be found as light weight bed sheets but pricy and would need to test to see if it could in fact protect from rain.
-wool clothing
-also there is the possibility of making/using a packbasket which is actually pretty practical especially in the rain. It would be nice if one could be made with hiking in mind instead of trapping and canoeing.

This probably isn't what you has in mind but I figured Id post anyway.
There have been packs geared twords this market like the The North Face Tree Hugger 32 Pack. But its not particularly impressive and has the obligatory condescending name.

PostedAug 17, 2012 at 12:30 am

Going along with what Brian mentions, I remember coming across some UK guys who do all real, natural materials, they have some pretty cool gear, wools, canvases, and so on. They seemed to be pretty cool people reading on how they do it.

But it's not ultralight.

But then again, there's no law that states you have to walk x miles per day, you can just go shorter distances and enjoy the miles more, after all, once you're back in nature, there you are.

But in the end, really, just live ethically, consume less, and that should help more than anything else we do. Reuse, don't recycle, support the good people, and just ignore the others.

Stuart R BPL Member
PostedAug 17, 2012 at 12:53 am

You could look for outer wear made from Ventile fabric, a high performance waterproof breathable cotton fabric that has been in use for more than 50 years.

But as Harald says, you can make a bigger impact in your everyday lifestyle.
Each day I cycle to work (30 mile round trip) I save almost a gallon of gas.

PostedAug 17, 2012 at 8:44 am

I stumbled across Golite's sustainability page and would love to take the opportunity to thank them here. They've got everything that's possible in ultralight equipment–environmentally preferred materials, product reuse, a goal of carbon neutrality, nearly zero waste headquarters, you name it. Read more here: http://www.golite.com/Info/Meaning-of-Lite/Sustainability.aspx

They haven't updated the information since 2010 though, so I'm not positive about recent developments. All around, they seem to be miles ahead of others in terms of sustainability and ethical policy.

Others are worth considering in terms of small business owners, as Harald mentioned.

In terms of fuel, there is indeed an option that is much worse environmentally; canister stoves. To the best of my knowledge, the canisters are not reusable in any way, nor are they recyclable. I use Esbit fuel tablets, which produce a minimal amount of waste from the packaging; switching to liquid fuel would cut this down further.

I've been unable to find out anything about the environmental impact of solid fuel tablets, so I can't speak for their impact, except that I imagine it's greater than ethanol.

PostedAug 17, 2012 at 8:55 am

Our local shop used to recycle canisters.
They had a device that punch a hole in them.

I think our local rei takes them for recycling too.

JetBoil sells a punch now, for the home recycler.

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