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Horizontal vs vertical baffled sleeping bags

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PostedJul 23, 2012 at 4:19 am

it seems that traditionally most sleeping bags (at least in the above 0F range) had continuous horizontal baffles. This ostensibly was easy to manufacture – gave good vertical down control and facilitated moving down form back to front as need required.

In the past few years there seems to be a proliferation of bags that either have fully vertical baffles (eg Marmot Plasma) or Vertical baffles on the chest area (like the Stoic and others) If i understand correctly this helps deal with down shift that would be caused by gravity (that is if i roll a bit in my sleep down will shift from chest to back in a normal horizontal baffle bag).

My questions are:
1) does this design have any other benefits?
2) how did they deal with the difficulty of vertical down control with such huge baffles (say in the plasma) I reckon they have some "gate" system….is this just a semi baffle (like the Karo step enlightened have) does that really solve the problem well? wouldnt this add weight since you are baffeling both ways?
3) do you guys find the lack of ability to move down form chest to back at all troubling?

Any insight is welcome

Thanks
Mike

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 23, 2012 at 7:41 am

Maybe the "moving down from front to back" concept is just a way to deal with a sleeping bag that doesn't have quite enough down.

Making "lemonaid out of lemons".

Better to have a bag with enough down in it so you just sleep rather than fiddle with down because it shifted to the sides and you're cold.

And maybe vertical or diagonal baffles is just a marketing concept – come up with something new, market it, and it will generate some sales.

Just wondering – I don't really have a good opinion.

If you have horizontal baffles, you can have a little more loft around your torso where you need it the most.

If you have horizontal baffles, the baffles are smaller so it's a little easier to have a consistent amount of down everywhere in the baffle.

PostedJul 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm

I think the optimal solution is square baffles. These give you the best down control IMHO, but hard to find in a commercial bag. The last bag I saw that had this design was the Western Mountaineering POD 30. Superb warmth to weight and perfect down control. Maybe the Karo step is the next best. I haven't tried a Karo yet, so can't compare. My second choice would be a continuous horizontal baffle, but only because, as a back sleeper, I prefer to have ALL my down on top of me.

PostedJul 24, 2012 at 12:46 am

lynn

the pod was sewn thru so in theory colder due to sew I know of no one who does square baffles that are real H box baffles.

the downside of square or KAro would be weight i assume???? Enlightened do it in cuben so its not a fair comparison.

maybe Tim can chime in here – but what would be the weight penalty btw Karo and say standard horizontal.

Also – does anyone have more data or experience re the vertical baffles and how well they work vs the traditional?

M

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