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Aug 8, 2012 at 9:51 am #1901171
••• May 2013 Update: Sawyer now has new Super Tough Bladders available with the filters and separate.
That said, I would always carry at least two bladders and the 2013 Sawyer
I talked with the Sawyer folks at OR last week.
One thing they wanted to get out to customers was the need to agressively back flush the filter to improve flow.
Use the supplied syringe to back flush and do it multiple times at each backflush session and be very agressive to flush out particles that slow the flow. This will put less pressure on any bladder or bottle attached. How often to back flush? That depends on how much sediment and small particles get trapped – bandana prefilter when the source is bad and certainly back flush fully after every trip.
As noted already, you can not just squeeze the beejesus out of the bladder or bottle for any type of screw on water filer and expect the container seams or threads to never fail – Use moderate pressure.
For a weekend trip, I like the idea of using two 1L bladders as the main frequent use clean bladders in the side pockets and then one more as the back up / dirty water to connect to the filter.
May 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm #1985203Old thread I realize, but I see you now recommend the newest Sawyer bags.
Can I assume any Sawyer system I order today will come with the improved bags? Let's hope so.
May 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm #1985214I found the Sawyer doesn't work with my pressurized system. I took it off after bursting my first bag. Lifetime warranty on the bag with good service. It needs frequent back flushing just using city water. I couldn't imagine trying to filter murky water or being out more than a couple days with it.
May 10, 2013 at 8:29 pm #1985219Which Sawyer?
By "pressurized" do you mean a gravity system with about 4' of elevation between the dirty bag and the filter?
Something is wrong somewhere. My Sawyer PointOne gives good flow every time. Haven't had to backflush yet. Been using it about a year.
Did you "prime" yours?
How long between uses?
May 10, 2013 at 9:44 pm #1985225To be a little more clear, the rev. 2 bags are thought to be much stronger, and are now available. What's still not clear is how long it will take for the old stock to be replaced.
http://hikelighter.com/2013/01/20/sawyer-squeeze-updated-2013-version/
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=76172I am going to buy the new "plus" package, and give it a shot.
May 10, 2013 at 11:33 pm #1985244"What's still not clear is how long it will take for the old stock to be replaced."
Ordered Sawyer Squeeze from REI on March 22, and got the old bags. Only used them a few times, haven't failed yet.
— Rex
May 11, 2013 at 8:08 am #1985284Scree,
My Sawyer will quit working after it dries out for an extended time. Could this be what you are experiencing? Nothing will go through it.
I talked to the Sawyer people. They recommended flushing and back flushing with hot water and/or vinegar. I have to do this before using it if it has been stored and dried for a long time.
It is a pain in the neck to have to reactivate the filter. Takes 15 minutes or so and some trial and error. I use hot water directly from the tap. Once it starts flowing it will work throughout the backpacking trip.
Daryl
May 11, 2013 at 11:06 am #1985302"I talked to the Sawyer people. They recommended flushing and back flushing with hot water and/or vinegar."
Hot water and or vinegar are frequent;y used to dissolve hard water deposits. When you are hiking in the mountains in most cases all the water you drink is from rain or snow fed streams and lakes which are almost free of minerals. However at home some of your home drinking water comes from wells or springs and it will have minerals. At my home I have a lot of iron in my water, probably from old iron pipes used by the utility (my home has all copper plumbing.
So if you backflush with hard house water and then let the filter dry the minerals can then clog the filter. Then you would need hot water (hot water is a better solvent than cold water) and or vinegar to dissolve the minerals.
I would recommend the following:
1. Backflushing only when needed. If the filter is working fine at the end of your trip don't backflush when you get home. If it doesn't need it don't backflush.
2. When backflushing use the cleanest water you can find. Rain water is excellent or or use distilled or Deionised water when backflushing.
3. If you filter needs to be backflushed at the end of your hike backflush ising the water near the trailhead. That water is likely from rain or snow and has few minerals. Filter it first (yes it will take longer with a dirty filter or use a separate filter stored in your car for this). After the water has been filtered sterilize it with chemicals and then backflush.
May 11, 2013 at 12:08 pm #1985320I was using a pressurized Geigerrig with an air bladder with a 3 in 1 Sawyer. The bladder has a lifetime warranty, which they were very quick to honor simply on my word. I figured out that I was getting too much back pressure from the filter.
I did not prime it as you sort of figured. I looked it up and will try doing it that way next time out. It sounds like it makes a big difference. Thanks for the advice. It is appreciated.May 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm #1985400I've lost count how many times I've used my "Squeeze"…on the same bag. Perhaps on a dozen overnights and one three-day. Most of the time is was just for me but for two of us on at least two trips. Not heavily used but used nonetheless. At any rate, the bag's material is quite wrinkled near the top. I expect it to crack there before anywhere….though I am speculating.
I suspect my success is due to the fact that I don't squeeze the bag. I just let gravity do its thing. It takes all of ~4-5 mins to fill a 27oz bottle. I do it while resting or grabbing a bite to eat….for which it takes longer to do than it does to fill the bottle. I've only filtered clear mountain water though. I have back flushed two…maybe three times tops.
May 11, 2013 at 10:08 pm #1985432Steven,
The people from Sawyer gave me an explanation that was similar to yours. It was over the telephone so I couldn't remember the details so thanks for the post.
I'll do some experimenting.
I also run diluted bleach through the filter (per Sawyer protocol) at the end of the season. Could this be a factor?
Daryl
May 12, 2013 at 6:49 am #1985453"I also run diluted bleach through the filter (per Sawyer protocol) at the end of the season."
There's your problem
Don't end season
You have to just keep using it year-round
I can't figure why people stop backpacking in the winter
May 12, 2013 at 7:15 am #1985456"I can't figure why people stop backpacking in the winter"
Because some of us have spent years in extremely cold places, and we have no desire to find ourselves once again in snow. It brings no joy.
May 12, 2013 at 9:18 am #1985472If you were living in Minnesota – okay, you got a point
You who live in Southern California have no winter, but any low areas are probably crowded with people and nice areas for backpacking get snowy in winter occasionally.
In Oregon and Washington and Northern California, there are nice places year-round with minimal snow and no people.
May 12, 2013 at 11:03 am #1985503"Because some of us have spent years in extremely cold places, and we have no desire to find ourselves once again in snow. It brings no joy"
Plus 1 on that. I spent six months as a member of a field party in Antarctica and, as a consequence, got rid of any further desire for winter camping, YMMV.
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