Fortius 1.0 vs Schoeller dryskin extreme

both will be too hot in the summer unless yr doing alpine climbing IMO

i own and use the gamma lts … id go with a thinner softshell or a durable nylon pants …

Paul,
Not long ago, I posted a 5/5 review of Marmot Rockstar soft shell pants.
They are good below 65 degrees F. and weigh only 11 oz for the XL.
Very water resistant, and look good – not baggy.
Hope this is helpful.

I'm stoked on the stoic microlith, doesn't carry the dead bird premium either

+1 on too hot. If you aren't doing alpine climbing that look at the Arc'Teryx Rampart pants. Light, very good water resistance and extremely durable. Mine only wetted out on the cuffs after an hour or so of creek wading and they've survived city and desert thorn scrub for a couple years and still look brand new.

You should take a look at the KUIU Attack pants. They are easily the best pants I have ever worn. Incredibly durable, breathable, water repellent, stretchy, and just plain comfortable. They use fabric from Toray of Japan. It is a spiral yarn that creates a 4 way stretch without any Lycra. It is also treated at the at the yarn level with a DWR finish making it very water resistant.I have worn them in 102 degree weather and taken them through nasty brush. I can guarantee you will like them and after wearing them on a trip or two will end up buying the other colors. You honestly will not find a better pant. I have tried them all and nothing compares to the Attack pant.

KUIU Attack Pant

I love my Gamma LTs. Haven't used them in hot weather yet but in cool-cold they are awesome. Nice fit too, and with two leg lengths.

Love my Schoeller stuff below 60 but way too hot above. Rampart pants are great in warmer temps – if you must have leg coverage.

Outdoor Research makes the Ferrosi pant, which is a bit cooler, but similar to the Gamma LT, and in lighter colors (including near-white). Works pretty well in alpine summer temperatures.

Hmmm the Gamma LT are definitely way too warm even for alpine summer conditions. Too bad I could have had them for $120. Also especially at $120 I have a feeling I would burn them somehow :)

I like the Stoic Microlith suggestion. How's that material in the high 80's?

Basically I need something that's durable and stretchy that can go from high 80's to 30's with long john's.