Hilleberg Tent thread

[Stuart Murphy]

Thanks Doug,

Have you watched the Outdoor Magazin videos of various tents being blown down (as far as I can gather they quote figures for the weakest angles)?

It is hard to predict the end results eg. 4 pole geodesic (albeit lightweight version of Terra Nova's Quasar) withstood 95km/h (from memory), whereas a couple of the best tents have managed around 130km/h (from memory).

Of course this is not necessarily inicative of "real world" performance or longevity.

The weird thing is, that even "shapes" that appear similar can yield significantly different results.

There is also sometimes a fine line between a tent looking "OK" and total collapse (where others give more warning).

It is a pity there isn't some kind of standardised tests that manufacturers use so custoemrs have some more objective info.

Hilleberg themselves must have this info (in front of their snow cannons) for their own tents but will not release it.

Anyway, I'm surprised by your experiences with those tents – thanks for sharing.

Cheers
Stuart

[Doug Smith]

Hi Stuart, for clarification, I never had any of my Hillebergs in extreme conditions. My observations are from nothing more than looking closely at the design, materials, and general "feel" of the tent. In other words, I hope I didn't make it sound like I was an expert on weather conditions with the tents, I'm simply making educated guesses based on my limited observations.

Even something as simple as pushing against a tent, opening an entrance zipper, shaking it out, etc., can give a surprisingly good idea for how solid a tent feels. But I totally hear what you're saying, I've heard that some flexing can be very beneficial as opposed to the catastrophic failure.

[Stephen M]

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[Stuart Murphy]

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[Stephen M]

They are listed at 625$ and due in a week or so.

[Stephen M]

No sign of the Enan yet, I am really looking forward
to getting it.

[David Ure]

$625?

Never thought that Cuben would look reasonable.

[Stephen M]

Fair point Dave, but if you add an inner tent in to the cost of the Cuben shelter the cost is much the same.

[David Ure]

Regardless, that pricing is quite shocking.

[Stephen M]

It is indeed shockingly expensive.

[BlackHatGuy]

I keep looking at the Unna for winter camping (it would be delightful in red). I use a Solomid XL now. The Unna would be a beautiful winter tent, especially if the weather turned nasty and I had to 'stay in,' but I just can't seem to get myself past the weight.

[Stuart .]

Doug – I have to agree. On so many levels the Unna appears to be the perfect 1P shelter, but then there's the weight…

Hilleberg have spent a lot of money developing the Kerlon 600 fabric. Why would they do that when they came out with the Kerlon 1000 a few years ago? Maybe because the perceived weight benefit of the 1000 over the 1200 (used by the Unna, Akto, Soulo, Nallo, etc) wasn't great enough? I'm just speculating here, but I expect the Enan will be the first of many shelters coming out with the Kerlon 600 fabric. Imagine a freestanding 1P based on the Unna at 3lb, a freestanding 2P based on the Allak at 4.5lb… This could be a game changer for the Swedes. If they can get prices that work for us tight fisted North Americans.

In the meantime, I'm looking forward to learning more about the Enan this spring. Yes, $625 is a lot of cash for a 1P. But my weekly grocery bill for a family of three is about 1/3 of that. So maybe just maybe it's no longer insanely expensive. Perhaps our expectations haven't kept pace with the cost of making things well.

[BlackHatGuy]

Stuart,

Yes, a 3-lb Unna would be great! Hilleberg prices don't bother me too much really, just the weight.

[Stephen M]

I feel the same as you Doug on the weight, thats why I preordered the Enan.

[BlackHatGuy]

"I feel the same as you Doug on the weight, thats why I preordered the Enan."

I hear ya, but the Enan wouldn't work well for me – simply too small for me, I like my space. The Unna would be perfect!

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[BlackHatGuy]

"The Anjan 2 could be a good option also."

It would be too much of a compromise for me. Don't get me wrong, all good tents. But the Unna checks off every box, instead of a just a few, except for the weight, for a good winter shelter. I may just buy it anyway, a couple of pounds isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things! :-)

[Stephen M]

Here is a very good video of the Enan that was posted on YouTube a few days ago.

Just found out today that my one will be shipping next week.

[Kevin Buggie]

$625 is in the realm of an HMG ultamid! Yikes!!

Price aside, I'm really drawn to the Enan (TT moment) because in my winter conditions staking is always a pain and these tent designs allow you to get away with only needing two really good anchor/staking points at either end. Mid panel side stakes next to the crossing pole would be used but not critical with good wind alignment.

So, my question: Is the $625 the price from an importer in the U.S? And could it be cheaper for us Yankees to exploit our strong dollar and order direct from the continent? If so any idea ofor price?

Also, does the Enan have the second longitudinal pole option like the TT Moment?

Well since I wandered in here, do you guys think Hillerberg paid Tarptent for intellectual property rights or anything with this clone tent design?

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