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PostedApr 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm

I'm trying to drop some weight in the clothing category, and I was hoping to get some opinion and suggestions. I live in the Southeastern US and backpack around the TN and NC mountains. I also travel several times a year to camp, last year I went to Glacier and Zion, this year I'm going to Iceland. The trips away are typically going to be late spring through late summer trips – I don't intend for this clothing to be used in the Rocky Mountains during the middle of winter. Though I do camp around here when temps are down into the mid-20s.

I have a 45 degree Big Agnes Yampa sleeping bag, and insulated Big Agnes Air Core. I tend to sleep hot, so this works for me even down into the 20s, and I regulate my temp using clothing.

These are the clothes I currently use for layering while hiking (and sleeping if necessary):
Generic (bought from Academy Sports) lightweight polyester longjohn shirt (6.6oz)
Generic (bought from Academy Sports) lightweight polyester longjohn pants (5.8oz)
Nike midweight Dryfit t-shirt (6.4oz)
ExOfficio Air Strip Lite shirt (I didn't weigh this as it will always be worn and never in the pack)
Columbia Fleece Jacket (16.8oz)
REI Heavy Fleece Jacket – only when I know it's going to be sub freezing (21.8oz)
REI Ultralight Rain/Wind Jacket (16.8oz)
GoLite Tumalo Rain Pants (7.4oz)

Clothing accounts for 25% of my total pack weight right now. I've already bought a Marmot Zeus Down Jacket to replace the fleece just because I got it on sale for $94, and it comes in at 14.8oz. I should say that these weights may differ from what is listed by the manufacturer. These are the weights that I have based on weighing them on my personal scale, accurate to 0.2oz. Anyway, I'm not tied to the Zeus jacket, as it is on the heavy end as well, and may just keep it for a non-camping jacket. The majority of my weight is between my rain/wind jacket and down or fleece jacket

I've been researching lighter weight gear, and had several questions.

The super light rain jackets, such as the Marmot Mica or the Outdoor Research Helium II – they never mention anything about blocking wind. Can I expect that capability in the ultralight rain jackets? Or should I be looking at an additional layer just for wind?

I considered the Montbell UL Down jacket, but I was concerned about warmth and durability. It looks like a shiny trashbag – which, and maybe it's unfounded – but makes me think it's going to rip pretty easily. But since I also will potentially use this layer for warmth while sleeping, I was concerned with how warm this jacket on top of a thermal layer would be. I'm not set on Montbell particularly, that one just stood out because of it's weight. Another jacket I was considering is the MontBell Ultralight Thermawrap Jacket. It is listed at 8.8oz.

For base layers, I was considering going with merino as people seem to swear by how good it feels, wicks moisture, etc. Sure is expensive though. Another product I had considered was the Terramar Thermasilk, but reviews of it being thin and like a full body pantyhose scared me off.

So, that's where I'm at. I've been researching gear and comparing until my eyes are crossing. I've been backpacking for a while, but this is really my first foray into really cutting weight. I'm sitting a little over 16 pounds dry weight right now, and my goal is to be at 15. Baby steps… Thanks for reading all of this and I appreciate your suggestions!

PostedApr 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm

Columbia Fleece Jacket (16.8oz)

Fleece is comfy around camp, but heavy. Get a light down jacket. I bet one of the ultralite ones would be as warm as the fleece for 50-70$ the weight.

My hooded down jacket weight 9.6 ounces (size medium).

Although Fleece makes a comfy pillow :)

Change your REI rain/wind jacket to something else too.
My Marmot Precip is 12 ounces.

Merino is excellent. I love the warm of it. What you heard is true.

Jon Leibowitz BPL Member
PostedApr 18, 2012 at 6:40 am

When I first starting going UL, I found it amazingly helpful to look at member gear lists in their profile to see what people camp with.

The obvious place to start is to check out Mike Clelland's gear list. Just type his name into the search bar to the right on top. You can see that his entire clothing setup weighs about as much one of your jackets :)

PostedApr 18, 2012 at 7:11 am

Even better than his gear list, he goes into his clothing system in detail in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J4D3AHzlxQ&list=UU_2Wo0LnUqJyLplPI0fh4jQ&index=6&feature=plcp

He doesn't dwell on brand names or fabric types or whatever. There are always multiple routes to the same end in terms of that, so it's helpful that he refers to his gear in categories.

Some things to point out:
1) Nike t-shirt is redundant
2) If you have proper rain protection, you could probably leave both fleece jackets at home and just take your Zeus.
3) Mike has some good suggestions related to this and it's talked about extensively on BPL, both in articles and forum threads. Breathable jackets aren't waterproof and waterproof jackets aren't breathable. Mike's system is a good one: GoLite windshirt, 3.3 oz and DriDucks rain coat, 7.5 oz. That's 10.8 oz. for better protection and flexibility than one 16.8 oz. jacket.

Link . BPL Member
PostedApr 18, 2012 at 7:20 am

Arlyn,that is the same video I posted above + all his other videos on his blog

PostedApr 18, 2012 at 8:12 am

Thanks for the responses. Mike's video was very helpful, and I read through a number of his posts. I'm definitely going to be emulating his layering system. And I'll ditch the Nike shirt – it was there for an extra layer of warmth, but you're right, I shouldn't need it.

I guess my biggest concern now is finding the right base layer since I use that to help mitigate carrying a warmer sleeping bag (45 degrees) into weather that sometimes dips into the low 20s. I like it because it's a light bag and I normally sleep hot. It has worked well with my current thermals and heavy fleece when it gets down that low, but I'll be dropping those.

The link, http://www.verber.com/mark/outdoors/gear/clothing.html was a great read too. I'm forwarding that one on to several friends. Thanks.

I've been going through gear lists: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/user_gear_list_index.html for ideas as well.

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