Topic

A hooded mummy down (850+) bag with a zipper that needn’t be opened to get in and out ? Would Lithium or Antelope play?

  • This topic is empty.
Viewing 5 posts - 1 through 5 (of 5 total)
Kenneth Carter BPL Member
PostedApr 2, 2012 at 11:05 pm

Cutting to the chase: Anyone know if the hood/neck opening on either the Marmot Lithium sleeping bag or the Western Mountaineering Antelope MF can be opened wide enough to enter and exit the bag without opening the zipper?



If these bags will *not* work that way, does anyone know of any currently available down bags with comparable specs that *would* allow such zipperless entry and exit? I'm
fairly slim: Just over 6 feet tall and 155 lbs.

All my current synthetic mummy bags let me do this *easily*. From the pictures I've seen, it looked to me like the answer might be a *no* for the Lithium, but I can't tell quite as clearly for the WM Antelope. Otherwise, I really like what I've read about *both* these bags! There are some current deals on the old model Lithium, and saving over $100 is attractive. On the other hand, I want to get the bag that is right for me.

I've gathered that the MicroLite XP™ microfiber shell on the Antelope may be both more rugged and more water resistant that the LightForce N-120R DWR shell on the closeout model of the Lithium. But that's just an impression from some posts I have read. Nothing conclusive. If it is a close call between the two, thriftiness might win, but if there is enough difference to affect function and margin of safety in wet weather, then prudence would likely win out. However, the weight and higher cost and reduced breathability of the still-more-water-repellent laminate shells are not attractive to me, and I'm not planning to bivy. I've not read comments about the linings of either bag. Obviously, if I'm sliding out of the bag, adequate durability is an issue, and slick is better than rough or sticky. But I realize good enough is sometimes enough.

Desired specs: Hooded mummy bag, 0-15 degrees F comfort rating, draft/neck collar, 800 or 850+ down, weight at or under 3 lbs in a long; at least 60 inches or preferably 62 inch circumference at shoulder, so I can wear a down sweater, etc., to extend the range. I would also appreciate room to augment on legs and torso with a lightweight elephant foot bag in subzero weather. I realize a somewhat loose bag is not as warm (until augmented) as a snug one, but I want the option of augmenting, because a separate subzero bag for the rare occasions I get to camp below 0 F isn't in my budget.

I am a side sleeper much of the time, and I turn the bag with me, so I need a bag with continuous baffles, or, failing that, with equal thickness of down on the “top” and “bottom” of the bag. I know the Antelope qualifies. Not sure about the Lithium.

I *would* like to have a full length side zip (like the recent Lithiums and the Antelopes do) for ventilation in warmer weather, for airing the bag, and for using the bag as a top quilt when hammocking, but I just don't like or feel secure depending on a zipper to get in and out routinely. Beside the hassle, the possibility of a bad zipper snag on an ultralight down bag gives me the willies. Particularly if I might be suffering from the sudden urges of altitude-induced diuresis! (I.e., If I need to get out and pee in a big, big hurry! Which sometimes happens to me up in the mountains.)

I may need to compromise (i.e. with a hoodless bag, or with obligatory zipper use), but I won't know unless I ask. There are no gear shops in my small town, or of course I would have had fun checking all this out for myself. I've gotten about as far as I can with reading reviews and earlier posts. If the Lithium would be a good choice for me, I don't want to miss a good deal! If the Antelope is the right choice, timing of my purchase may be less of an issue.

Any conclusive first-hand experience from owners or users of the Lithium or Antelope, or other similar bags, would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Sincerely,

Ken Carter

(who tends often to sleep very cold, even indoors, and is planning a lightweight late-spring/early-summer solo two-week backpacking/peak-bagging trip to the Pecos Wilderness, where I expect there will still be some patches of snow hanging around)

Nathan Watts BPL Member
PostedApr 3, 2012 at 3:17 am

Maybe have a custom bag built with snap closures towards the entry end. Or a zipper down each side for reliability through redundancy. A double zipper pull on one side zip would also add some form of backup

PostedApr 3, 2012 at 3:28 am

And can slide in and out without opening the zipper. I have a 35" waist, 45" chest. The long has (i think) a couple of inches more girth than the regular. You should have no problem getting in and out.

You are overthinking the zipper issue a bit. WM bags have this ridged tape that runs along the zipper that does a great job of preventing snags and even if you do snag the material (which i have done) you're (most likely) not going to rip it dislodging the zipper. Also, you aren't going to break the zipper with normal use.

You get out of your bag in cold weather to pee? What a waste of hard won warmth. Nothing says relife like a pee bottle. You should think about it. It will change your life.

I've used a bunch of diffrent bags over the years, and now that i have an antelope I'd be hard pressed to change to something else.

Kenneth Carter BPL Member
PostedApr 8, 2012 at 3:11 am

Thanks so much for the helpful information and insight! That was just what I needed.

Knowing now of the suitability of the Antelope and Kodiak for my druthers, I was happy to let the option on the Lithium go. Now I just need to figure out if I really need a bag as warm as the Kodiak or Antelope for a trip camping near treeline in the Pecos Wilderness of New Mexico in mid June. I think one of the Western Mountaineering bags is likely in my future now, but I'm not sure if it is near future or far future.

I do sleep cold. However, from what I've seen on the Philmont-related posts (Philmont being close to the Pecos), most everyone there, youth and adults, gets by fine with bags rated to 20 degree Fahrenheit on the traditional American rating system. The bag I had on my mid or late summer trek at Philmont many years ago surely had no more than 2 inches of top loft, if that. Maybe I need to track some historical weather data from Santa Fe, and then apply the change in temperature with altitude. But that can wait a few more days at least.

By the way, I do enjoy MYOG projects, and I actually designed and made a synthetic (polarguard) sleeping bag for backpacking a 250 mile section of the Colorado Trail some years ago, but working with down is way out of my league, or at least my current set of skills

Again, thanks for your generosity in giving me good information on the bags!

Viewing 5 posts - 1 through 5 (of 5 total)
Loading...