Feb 6, 2007 at 8:42 pm #1221679
Benjamin SmithBPL Member
@bugbombLocale: South Texas
Companion forum thread to:Feb 7, 2007 at 3:13 am #1377403
@pjLocale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Those compression straps are long.
Could a pad, like the GG NightLight Pad (sectioned torso-length or longer), or the Z-Rest (Z-lite, y'all know which one – it's that orange one that folds accordion style) be placed on the back of the pack and the compression straps brought around the BACK (instead of the FRONT like in the pics to compact the pack) to hold the Pad in place. If so, this would provide mega-cushioning to the wearer's back (it might NOT be necessary with the Jam^2???), and would free up pack volume if the user is NOT forming a v-frame by making a larger cylinder out of their sleep pad.
If i understood the Review, buckle gender won't be an issue here as it's essentially no different than when forming the Kompactor system, i.e. the straps still need to cross over and attach to the other side. The question here is, "Will they reach?"
Just a thought. Anyone have one of these packs & can comment.Feb 7, 2007 at 4:07 pm #1377493
Erin McKittrickBPL Member
@mckittreLocale: Seldovia, Alaska
I wonder why the bottom of the pack still has the same fabric as the sides and top? I've done a lot of bushwhacking with an older GoLite pack (the Gust), and have had to replace the bottom three times when it developed enormous holes. This looks like a similar fabric to me. If they're targeting a crowd who wants a little more durability, they might add a couple ounces and put heavier fabric where it's needed.
Also, the shower test makes a nice picture, but it'd be more useful after the pack's been beat around for a month or two. Most backpacks come with some sort of water-resistance that looks good when it's new, but is precisely useless as soon as the pack is used at all. Is this any different?Feb 7, 2007 at 6:54 pm #1377527
Will RietveldBPL Member
@williwabbitLocale: Southwest Colorado
PJ, in reponse to your question about the compression straps reaching around the back of the pack, I tried it with a NightLight pad and they are just too short. The pack would have to be half full thickness-wise and the backpanel pad removed for them to connect. The gender doesn't match in that direction either, so its a matter of one side connecting to the other, rather than connecting in the middle.
However, one could rig up an extension strap, with the correct genders, to connect the straps in the middle on the or back of the pack.
Hope this helps. WillFeb 7, 2007 at 9:09 pm #1377547
I can't imagine why they would replace the excellent tool retention Velcros with bungees. I'm at a loss to understand why they dropped the short daisy chain in the center which was perfect for crampons. I know this pack appears in their backpacking section and not their Alpine section but it is a great Alpine pack.
The compression system looks like a significant improvement. Do the side pockets accommodate insulators for water bottles better than the Jam 1?
The real winner in the series looks like the Pinnacle which solves all the shortcomings of the Gust which I no longer use. I suspect I'll be getting one of these. A review please? ThanksFeb 7, 2007 at 9:19 pm #1377550
Curt PetersonBPL Member
@curtpetersonLocale: Pacific Northwest
Did I just see a picture of Will's ass?Feb 7, 2007 at 9:36 pm #1377552Feb 8, 2007 at 2:21 am #1377567
@pjLocale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Will, i realized that they won't connect together as you had made that clear in your excellent Review. I was hoping that since they were long enough to Kompact around the front, that they might reach around the back. Your idea of an extension strap sounds good, but maybe the whole idea is unecessary if the Jam^2 already has nice back padding.Feb 8, 2007 at 9:22 am #1377604
I expected the hip wings to be longer judging from the pictures seen before I ordered the pack. After receiving my Jam2 I inquired of GoLite and it confirmed that the hip wings were shortened on the production pack because an evaluator had complained that they were too long. I can see where a high energy 18 year old evaluator with a 28” waist may want a smaller hip belt, but what about some of us (I recognize I may be alone here) older folks with a wider girth? GoLite also said that the wing length is the same on all sizes.
It never occurred to me that the compression straps might be used to wrap around the front of the pack but now that it has been raised, I experienced this problem on a pack several years ago and my wife solved it by sewing added lengths of strap which worked fine. Yes, I too miss the daisy chain which I am use to on the Trek. All things considered though, I really like this pack and look forward to carrying it.Feb 13, 2007 at 12:34 pm #1378316
@mad777Locale: South Florida
I love my old Jam backpack. I think it is the best combination of lightweight and durability. I don't use it in winter due to what I feel is the weight carrying threshold that is limited by the rather meager design of the shoulder straps. The new Jam2 model seams to have upgraded this feature which probably makes it the perfect pack IMHO.
I too regret the loss of the daisy chain loops which I use extensively for everything from a clothes line to attaching my crocs. Please put them back GoLite!Feb 13, 2007 at 7:35 pm #1378379
Oh, my! Will, why are you wearing a hat for … you're in the shower! Great review though!Feb 17, 2007 at 5:09 pm #1378972
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
He's wearing a BACKPACK– what's the big deal about a hat after that? :)
I use a lawn sprinkler to test packs and tents. I hang the pack on a patio chair and avoid such ordeals– and public humilation. My neighbor has asked what kind of fertilizer I prefer with hiking gear. I told him that was a marketing issue :)
I use a Jam and like it, but a little more space wouldn't bother me– especially for winter clothes.Mar 11, 2008 at 1:54 am #1423839
i've had my eye on this pack for a while now, and for upcoming travels to australia and new zealand. once arriving in new zealand, i'll be doing a few four day treks with my brother who will help share the load. in between each trek, laundry is on the agenda, as well as getting to the next trek.
i'm having trouble deciding between this pack and the gregory z55. though the gregory isn't as light, it's very comfortable. two very different packs, i realize, but thought i'd get an idea here. if the golite had the suspension of the gregory, i'd be sold immediately. are there other options from different brands that are a better bet?Mar 11, 2008 at 2:43 am #1423841
@derekoakLocale: North of England
whilst in New Zealand buy an Aarn body pack http://www.aarnpacks.com. Different again but scientifically more efficientMar 11, 2008 at 1:46 pm #1423916
@retropumpLocale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Are you planning on mainly staying in huts, or tarping/tenting? Makes a difference to the volume you may need…in other words, if you're just doing some of the "Great Walks" and staying in the huts, you won't need to carry shelter, mat or stove. It's the ultimate in UL if you don't mind the company and cost!May 23, 2009 at 11:11 pm #1503194
Dan DurstonBPL Member
You know you're hardcore ultralight when tossing on a pair of boxers for a public photo shoot is too heavy :)
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